More Evidence Emerges Confirming Covid Lab-Leak Theory, But Corporate Media Stay Silent

[ICU 812]

A vaccine is not like a flu shot. A vaccine prevents one from becoming infected with the disease and protects others from becoming infected through a vaccinated Indvidual. The Covid shots do neither.

The Covid shots reduce the intensity of symptoms, if an infected individual develops symptoms. However that individual, whether exhibiting symptoms or asymptomatic, can still spread the virus to others.

Given that level of efficacy and with a booster every six months, the Covid shots are like a flu shot . . .not a vaccine.

That the liberal, progressive, leftists in Government and in the public square continue to insist that the Covid shots are a "vaccine" is intentionally stating a misleading untruth. This is the blatant and open spreading of misinformation.

[1blackman1]

More falsehoods ICU. You truly just spout dumbshit you believe that’s wrong continuously. Vaccines do not all fully prevent infection. Vaccines create some immunity by triggering the natural immunity of the individual. Vaccines can be prophylactic and have a preventative effect and some only alleviate and lessen the effects of infection, some are even therapeutic. It all depends on the nature of the disease and how many variants exist or how quickly it evolves and mutates.

I feel sorry for the kids you teach. If you provide them info like you do on this board they are getting a disservice.

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Vaccines do not all fully prevent infection. Vaccines create some immunity by triggering the natural immunity of the individual.

I see somebody doesn't know how to use the wayback machine where prior to the Democrat released COVID virus used to allow mail in ballot fraud... a vaccine did indeed prevent infection.

CDC Changes Definition of Vaccine So It Can’t Be ‘Interpreted to Mean That Vaccines Are 100% Effective’

From 2015 to Aug. 31, 2021, a vaccine was defined as “a product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease” and vaccination was “the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.”
Earlier versions of a vaccine definition also included “immunity” in its definition.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

In a previous post on this thread, I characterized the Covid shots not as a vaccine in the true sense of the word, but as a palliative pre-treatment that reduced the severity of the symptoms if one did get sick.

Originally Posted by ICU 812

A vaccine is not like a flu shot. A vaccine prevents one from becoming infected with the disease and protects others from becoming infected through a vaccinated Indvidual. The Covid shots do neither.

The Covid shots reduce the intensity of symptoms, if an infected individual develops symptoms. However that individual, whether exhibiting symptoms or asymptomatic, can still spread the virus to others.

Given that level of efficacy and with a booster every six months, the Covid shots are like a flu shot . . .not a vaccine.

That the liberal, progressive, leftists in Government and in the public square continue to insist that the Covid shots are a "vaccine" is intentionally stating a misleading untruth. This is the blatant and open spreading of misinformation.

Originally Posted by ICU 812

Changing the official definition of "Vaccine" to match the actual,lower performance of the shots ws Orwellien mendacity.

OK, Well, you could get the ball rolling in Houston. Start visiting physicians and pharmacists and tell them there's no such thing as a COVID vaccine or a flu vaccine. Instead they should be called "the COVID palliative pre-treatment" and "flu palliative pre-treatment." And since you appear to define a vaccine as something that's 100% effective in preventing disease and lasts a lifetime, you should add cholera, typhoid, shingles, diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, hepatitis A, and more to the list.

Originally Posted by ICU 812

"Perfect is the enemy of good", sure that is an esy aphorism. It embraces mediocrity. That the Covid shots support positive health outcomes is a good thing and to be applauded.

OK, good. Then you agree, for example, that a cancer treatment that's 85% effective in preventing hospitalization or death is a good thing, like the COVID palliative pre-treatment, and both should be applauded?

Originally Posted by ICU 812

My dissatisfaction comes from the claims by health professionals in government that these shots were THE cure while actively suppressing any efforts by health care professionals in the private sector to develop post infection therapies for those already sick.

The ballyhoo over getting everyone to get the shots so families could all get together for July 5th celebrations as President Bidden proclaimed, was a falsehood.

Getting everyone to get the shots so we could develop "herd immunity" was a falsehood proclaimed by the leadership at CVEC.

First, the health professionals in government and elsewhere are a lot more honest than the politicians. They didn't know how this would work out when they said what they did. You have a vaccine that's initially 95% effective in preventing infection. You're not aware yet of how the virus will mutate, in ways that may reduce the efficacy of the vaccine. Given what they knew, it was reasonable to believe if you got the COVID palliative pre-treatments in the arms of most people, and combine that with N95 and KN95 masks and social distancing and the like, you could get rid of the disease. What you need to do is reduce the reproduction number for the disease to below 1, that is, so that people who get COVID on average pass it onto less than one person each. If you do that the disease goes away, although admittedly it may resurface from pockets of infected individuals, or from transmission from racoon dogs or whatever to humans.

As to the subject of the OP, I'd criticize China more for not getting this done in Hunan province before we had a worldwide pandemic, versus criticizing them for a possible or probable lab leak. It can be done, as it was places like New Zealand and Australia for a long while.

[ICU 812]

"A Rose by any other name . . ." cannot be an Orchid or a Begonia.

Another wise man once said, "You can rube and rub, but you can never polish a turd."

There is another aphorism about lipstick on a farm animal.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

....Vaccines do not all fully prevent infection. Vaccines create some immunity by triggering the natural immunity of the individual. Vaccines can be prophylactic and have a preventative effect and some only alleviate and lessen the effects of infection, some are even therapeutic. It all depends on the nature of the disease and how many variants exist or how quickly it evolves and mutates.

Here's some info about therapeutic vaccines, for prostate cancer, bladder cancer, and melanoma, and the development of therapeutic HIV vaccines:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therapeutic_vaccines

Originally Posted by texassapper

I see somebody doesn't know how to use the wayback machine where prior to the Democrat released COVID virus used to allow mail in ballot fraud... a vaccine did indeed prevent infection.

CDC Changes Definition of Vaccine So It Can’t Be ‘Interpreted to Mean That Vaccines Are 100% Effective’

At the risk of becoming repetitious, and since Blackman just started contributing, and since you have to register to read your link, I'll repost this. I got the 2019 definition from the way back machine.

Originally Posted by Tiny

And as to the Orwellian nature of the "change" in the CDC's definition of vaccine, here's what the definition was in 2019:

A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease.

Here's what it is now:

A preparation that is used to stimulate the body’s immune response against diseases.

Yeah it changed, but so what. The original definition fits what the COVID vaccine does. The flu vaccine in many or most years is less effective than the COVID vaccine. But we've still always called it a vaccine.

Here's the definition of immunity from a biology dictionary. If you read the CDC's original definition of "vaccine" in the this context, you shouldn't have a problem with the definition of vaccine:

Immunity is the ability of the body to defend itself against disease-causing organisms. Everyday our body comes in contact with several pathogens, but only a few results into diseases. The reason is, our body has the ability to release antibodies against these pathogens and protects the body against diseases. This defence mechanism is called immunity.

https://byjus.com/biology/immunity/#

[ICU 812]

Originally Posted by Tiny

OK, good. Then you agree, for example, that a cancer treatment that's 85% effective in preventing hospitalization or death is a good thing, like the COVID palliative pre-treatment, and both should be applauded?

Applaud? Well sur, but Chemotherapy is not a vaccine. It says so in the nomenclature. Having worked in a major teaching hospital often with cancer patients I have never herd chemotherapy ddescribed as a vaccine.

There actually is an anti-cancer vaccine specific for a type of cervical cancer generated by the "Human Papilloma Virus or HPV. This is why gynecologists sometims do aq "Pap-Smear".

That is a true vaccine and is often administered to girls as young as 11 now.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

Applaud? Well sur, but Chemotherapy is not a vaccine. It says so in the nomenclature. Having worked in a major teaching hospital often with cancer patients I have never herd chemotherapy ddescribed as a vaccine.

There actually is an anti-cancer vaccine specific for a type of cervical cancer generated by the "Human Papilloma Virus or HPV. This is why gynecologists sometims do aq "Pap-Smear".

That is a true vaccine and is often administered to girls as young as 11 now.

The HPV vaccine doesn't prevent infection for a lot of variants of the human papilloma virus. In one study it was only 70.2% effective in preventing grade 2 cervical intraepithelial neoplasia from HPV in previously-uninfected women under 26, and less effective for previously-uninfected women over 26:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8706722/

Why is the HPV vaccine a true vaccine while the COVID shots are palliative pre-treatments?

[eyecu2]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

Applaud? Well sur, but Chemotherapy is not a vaccine. It says so in the nomenclature. Having worked in a major teaching hospital often with cancer patients I have never herd chemotherapy ddescribed as a vaccine.

There actually is an anti-cancer vaccine specific for a type of cervical cancer generated by the "Human Papilloma Virus or HPV. This is why gynecologists sometims do aq "Pap-Smear".

That is a true vaccine and is often administered to girls as young as 11 now.

It's funny that you distinctively call out the HPV vaccination versus the COVID vaccines, both do essentially the same thing. They don't keep the body from being exposed to a virus, which HPV is, it just allows the body not to develop the cancer after HPV which is so negative and deadly.

SIMILARLY, The COVID vaccines allow for still to be exposed to the virus, but not to develop the negative symptoms, or at least the non-deadly variety of symptoms. Very similar in their approach - but you fail to see the connection.

What did you do exactly in that teaching hospital by the way -mop the floors, change the TP or read pamphlets? (kidding)

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

Applaud? Well sur, but Chemotherapy is not a vaccine. It says so in the nomenclature. Having worked in a major teaching hospital often with cancer patients I have never herd chemotherapy ddescribed as a vaccine.

There actually is an anti-cancer vaccine specific for a type of cervical cancer generated by the "Human Papilloma Virus or HPV. This is why gynecologists sometims do aq "Pap-Smear".

That is a true vaccine and is often administered to girls as young as 11 now.

Shit no.

[ICU 812]

Originally Posted by Tiny

The HPV vaccine doesn't prevent infection for a lot of variants of the human papilloma virus. In one study it was only 70.2% effective in preventing grade 2 cervical intraepithelial neoplasia from HPV in previously-uninfected women under 26, and less effective for previously-uninfected women over 26:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8706722/

Why is the HPV vaccine a true vaccine while the COVID shots are palliative pre-treatments?

Perhaps I chose a bad example through lack of research (bd on me then). I withdraw my remarks and assertions regarding HPV aand its treatment.My apologies.

What remains is that the Covid shots are not effective as a "vaccine". They do seem to work as a pre-treatment to reduce the symptoms when someone does become infected (if the3y have symptoms) . . .which is a good thing . . .but the shots cannot by any historical measure be called a vaccine.



Recall that there was this huge public policy effort to get everyone tested repetedly because one could be asymptomatic but still vestry and spread the virus whether or not one had ever had a shot.

[adav8s28]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

What remains is that the Covid shots are not effective as a "vaccine". They do seem to work as a pre-treatment to reduce the symptoms when someone does become infected (if the3y have symptoms) . . .which is a good thing . . .[B]but the shots cannot by any historical measure be called a vaccine.

The message in the M-RNA (Messeger-Ribose Nucleic Acid) does not trigger an immune response like the dead/weakened virus in a traditional vaccine. But the message in the M-RNA does trigger the production of antibodies to the SPIKE protein component of virus. The production of the antibodies IS the number one goal. Your system has to make the antibody to clear the virus. So, in this sense the M-RNA is doing the job that a traditional vaccine would do.

BTW, even if BIG Pharma decided to go with a traditional vaccine it would not have been ready for rollout one month after Biden and Harris took office. With the Traditional vaccine you HAVE to grow the virus and that takes time.

You keep harping on the fact that it works differently than a traditonal vaccine. There is no doubt that the M-RNA vaccines prevent death and saved lives. It can't be disputed that the M-RNA vaccine/shots triggers the making of the antibody.

In Trumps last year in office there were 400,000 plus CoVid deaths. All of these people were unvaccinated. The M-RNA vaccine was not ready for rollout yet. These 400,000 cases are examples where the person could NOT make the antibody on there own.

[ICU 812]

^^^

All good stuff and true.

So, depending on how one would want to count it . . .now we are something like four years past the start of the Covid pandemic panic and the medical community knows what it is, how it is transmitted and what therapy protocols wok. Additionally, we know the benefits and limits of the Covid shots.

I would hope that Big Pharma has been working on a true vaccine with a higher level of efficacy. We now have time to "git-er-dun right" in terms of creating a safe and effective preventative vaccine using the long game research protocols the medical community has succesfully employed in the past.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

^^^

All good stuff and true.

So, depending on how one would want to count it . . .now we are something like four years past the start of the Covid pandemic panic and the medical community knows what it is, how it is transmitted and what therapy protocols wok. Additionally, we know the benefits and limits of the Covid shots.

I would hope that Big Pharma has been working on a true vaccine with a higher level of efficacy. We now have time to "git-er-dun right" in terms of creating a safe and effective preventative vaccine using the long game research protocols the medical community has succesfully employed in the past.

Don't get your hopes up. Alopathic Medicine is primarily concerned with Disease assessment and symptom management. They don't make money off of dead people or healthy people it's the people in the middle.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by Levianon17

Don't get your hopes up. Alopathic Medicine is primarily concerned with Disease assessment and symptom management. They don't make money off of dead people or healthy people it's the people in the middle.

True. There's not a lot of money in vaccines compared to treatments.