Q for the Mods: Sharing my own reviews?

[boardman]

Originally Posted by Wakeuр

:facepalm:

Why are you guys making this so difficult?

Seems pretty obvious to me. You force their hand now and you can hold their balls to the fire in the future. No answer now leaves the latitude they desire. Apparently the owners/ admins agree or the mods wouldn't be standing their ground. The mods have said as much without saying it directly and getting themselves in hot water for disregarding their own set of rules. At least that's what I'm reading between the lines.

I hammered Duc for playing chess as a mod with a member but for the most part our mods do a decent job(Fuck I can't believe I just said that) at not abusing their power and just being another member who has the responsibility of directing conversation or stopping it in the case of the nuclear shit. I for one don't want to force them to see everything in black or white.

Eventually it will come up again and they will do the same thing until it goes away AGAIN.
It's kinda like what the White House is doing right now.

[Wakeup]

And that latitude is acceptable except for nuclear rules...it's not in this case...

Are hobbyists allowed to share their reviews with the provider being reviewed? That will possibly trigger other questions depending on the answer...

[blowpop]

Originally Posted by Wakeuр

Then share what you sent her with the mods and let them determine if what you sent her was "close enough" to warrant punishment. Please. "Exactness" has nothing to do with the rule. It mentions "information", not exact information.

I have no interest in sharing my private e-mail correspondence with anyone other than the intended recipient. And in case you weren't following along, the mods have ruled here that no violation occurred. It's pretty much only you and DH who are still on this crusade. Imagine that.

Originally Posted by Wakeuр

Huh?

Of course any and all LR info is EXACTLY contraband for those members who do not have Premium access...that's what the rule states. You believe otherwise?

Then I hope no one posts a copy of the US Constitution in the LR. It would be a shame for Eccie members not to be able to read it.

Originally Posted by Wakeuр

Lost me completely.

If a provider posts an email that I sent her, she gets pointed for sharing communications between board members, and the email gets deleted. So what the hell are you saying?

Re-read what I posted. You've got things backwards:

1. Provider sends you an e-mail.
2. Provider posts something in that e-mail to the provider's area.
3. Provider turns you in. Mods act according to your interpretation, and you're penalized.

This turn of events seems reasonable to you? Because it follows the rules the way you laid them out.

Originally Posted by Wakeuр

You just proved my point about why you violated the rules. Thanks.

You are absolutely correct in that the rule is meant to punish those who violate the concept that info "will be seen only by those who should have access." Does theCFE have access to review ROS? No. The rule is meant exactly as you say to stop people "worrying about an unintended audience reading their words, and thus fostering a freer flow of information." Your problem is that you think your intended audience is the provider, so sharing info with her isn't bad. You're wrong. There's a reason providers specifically can't respond to reviews in those forums. Your review isn't for the benefit of the provider. Your audience is the hobbyists, and until you realize that, you'll always put the hobbyists of this board down, even though you preach about how much you want to help them...

My intended audience was the provider and the other guys on Eccie. I see a benefit in providing feedback to the provider, and to sharing the gist of my session with guys so they can make an informed choice about who to book with.

Here's a free clue: You don't get to tell me, or any other writer who my audience is. The sheer arrogance of your statement is remarkable, even for you.

[Wakeup]

Originally Posted by blowpop

Re-read what I posted. You've got things backwards:

1. Provider sends you an e-mail.
2. Provider posts something in that e-mail to the provider's area.
3. Provider turns you in. Mods act according to your interpretation, and you're penalized.

This turn of events seems reasonable to you? Because it follows the rules the way you laid them out.

Still totally confused...

1. You send theCFE an email.
2. You post that email in private ROS.
3. You turned theCFE in. Mods act according to your interpretation, and theCFE is penalized.

That's what you're saying? Because that's NOT what happened here...what happened was...

1. You send theCFE an email.
2. You post that email in private ROS.
3. TheCFE turns you in. Mods act according to your interpretation, and you are penalized.

Now, is that what you're saying?

[john_deere]

[Wakeup]

Originally Posted by blowpop

Here's a free clue: You don't get to tell me, or any other writer who my audience is. The sheer arrogance of your statement is remarkable, even for you.

Actually, I get to tell anyone, anything. What you do with the info is up to you...

However, the audience in the review forums cannot be the providers by simple fact. The only info they get is a yes or no. Everything else is shit they already know...unless you're lying about seeing them in the first place. There's no helpful info there for any provider...nice try...

[boardman]

Originally Posted by blowpop

I have no interest in sharing my private e-mail correspondence with anyone other than the intended recipient. And in case you weren't following along, the mods have ruled here that no violation occurred. It's pretty much only you and DH who are still on this crusade. Imagine that.



Then I hope no one posts a copy of the US Constitution in the LR. It would be a shame for Eccie members not to be able to read it.



Re-read what I posted. You've got things backwards:

1. Provider sends you an e-mail.
2. Provider posts something in that e-mail to the provider's area.
3. Provider turns you in. Mods act according to your interpretation, and you're penalized.

This turn of events seems reasonable to you? Because it follows the rules the way you laid them out.



My intended audience was the provider and the other guys on Eccie. I see a benefit in providing feedback to the provider, and to sharing the gist of my session with guys so they can make an informed choice about who to book with.

Here's a free clue: You don't get to tell me, or any other writer who my audience is. The sheer arrogance of your statement is remarkable, even for you.

I don't see DH and Wakeup as being on the same page. It appears that DH argues that the provider revealing that she has information is the only violation.

Wakeup argues that the violation occurs as soon as ROS is shared with the provider regardless of timing.

Once again, reading between the lines and understanding what the mods are not saying and the fact that no admin or owner has stepped in to clarify, I tend to believe that their opinion is that there is nothing wrong with sharing the info with the provider but discussion of that exchange of information on the open board by either party is a violation.

[blowpop]

Wakeup, try to keep up. I'm posting a hypothetical situation, and applying your interpretation of the rules to it:

1. Provider sends you an e-mail.
2. Provider posts something in that e-mail to the provider's area. According to you, it's now contraband to you.
3. Provider turns you in. Mods act according to your interpretation, and you're penalized.

That can happen in the scenario you're supporting. But apparently you're not thinking things through very well.

[blowpop]

Boardman, you're probably right on this. DH and Wakeup are both wrong, but in different ways. LOL.

[Trey]

I thought the mods solved this within the first few pages of the thread.

[boardman]

I'm making no determination of what is right or wrong. I am simply giving my opinion, based on what has been said and left unsaid, as to the intent of the rule and how I will follow it going forward.

Furthermore, I happen to agree that The CFE is in violation of the rules, technically, as I have interpreted them...but, I also believe that if the mods have chosen not to enforce the rule or only issue a warning due to what they( and I) perceive as mistake due to a lack of discretion rather than actual malice then I'm OK with that as well.

But what do I know? I'm a fucking cat.

It's time for me to go be a fucktard now. C ya!

[Pistolero]

Originally Posted by Pistolero

Since it was obvious that JAD and I did see it a little different, I went and got the correct view. And JAD is correct. I am wrong. You can give her your comments, but if she comments on it, then she is in violation.

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Originally Posted by Wakeuр

Are hobbyists allowed to share their reviews with the provider being reviewed? That will possibly trigger other questions depending on the answer...

Originally Posted by trey

I thought the mods solved this within the first few pages of the thread.

Thank you Trey. I thought this was settled on page 2 when I posted the above. It is OK for a reviewer to share his ROS with that provider only. If she comments or copies that ROS anywhere, then she is in violation.

[boardman]

Originally Posted by Pistolero

Thank you Trey. I thought this was settled on page 2 when I posted the above. It is OK for a reviewer to share his ROS with that provider only. If she comments or copies that ROS anywhere, then she is in violation.

Fuck, I hate it when we agree...

[Wakeup]

Originally Posted by blowpop

Wakeup, try to keep up. I'm posting a hypothetical situation, and applying your interpretation of the rules to it:

1. Provider sends you an e-mail.
2. Provider posts something in that e-mail to the provider's area. According to you, it's now contraband to you.
3. Provider turns you in. Mods act according to your interpretation, and you're penalized.

That can happen in the scenario you're supporting. But apparently you're not thinking things through very well.

How can that happen? If I send a provider an email that says "hey, how you doing" and she posts it in the providers area, she gets points and the email is removed. What could she possibly "turn me in" for?

If I send a provider an email with ROS or LR info in it, and she posts that in the providers area, then she gets points, and banned, the email is removed, and I get banned. As it should be.

Still confused about your point here...

[Wakeup]

Perfect, thank you. When can we expect the forum guideline to be updated? You can't honestly expect newbies to dig through all this to find an obscure ruling.