How are we going to pay for all this shit?

[Strokey_McDingDong]

or just let those shit fast food places and restaurants go out of business.

If nobody wants to work for your lame ass than fudge off.

BYE BYE!!

What are people making with unemployment? Last time I checked it was 300 dollars a week, which is like 270 after taxes.

If that's better than your job than your job is fucking worthless shit.

You might as well jerk off on the internet and die.

You might as well eat literal shit for a living.

[Chung Tran]

Originally Posted by Tiny

I stopped in today to get a high plains burger at a local burger joint. It was a little deserted because of the holiday. The owner started bending my ear about his labor problems. He says the unemployment and other welfare benefits are so generous because of COVID that he can't get or keep good employees any more. He talked about a woman who'd been with him for years who figured out it just didn't pay to work right now. He said she's not lazy and didn't dislike the job, it was just an economic decision. She could make more money and spend more time with her kids by not working.

I am at Winstar, and driving in I stopped at the Sonic immediately South. They had a handwritten sign posted, your wait is possibly long due to a labor shortage.. And please don't take your frustration out on your Server.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by Strokey_McDingDong

or just let those shit fast food places and restaurants go out of business.

If nobody wants to work for your lame ass than fudge off.

BYE BYE!!

What are people making with unemployment? Last time I checked it was 300 dollars a week, which is like 270 after taxes.

If that's better than your job than your job is fucking worthless shit.

You might as well jerk off on the internet and die.

You might as well eat literal shit for a living.

They’ll just go to robots and IPads for ordering. It was coming anyways. Not many service businesses will pay 15$ per hr.

[gnadfly]

Originally Posted by Tiny

I stopped in today to get a high plains burger at a local burger joint. It was a little deserted because of the holiday. The owner started bending my ear about his labor problems. He says the unemployment and other welfare benefits are so generous because of COVID that he can't get or keep good employees any more. He talked about a woman who'd been with him for years who figured out it just didn't pay to work right now. He said she's not lazy and didn't dislike the job, it was just an economic decision. She could make more money and spend more time with her kids by not working.

At my local Kroger (and I think Walmart) they have help wants signs up saying start at $15 an hour, paid daily.

At Costco today I noticed a lot of employees speaking Spanish.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by Tiny

There must be some kind of a win-win-win situation where the employer, the employee and the taxpayer all come out better. Wages go up benefitting the employee; employer is able to get the help he needs because he's paying more than the government's paying people to stay home; taxpayer's off the hook. As much as it may be against my Libertarian principles, maybe a higher minimum wage, preferably set by local people instead of in Washington, combined with reduced incentives not to work when when work is available, might help.

Competition should set wages, PERIOD! I'm pretty sure when you are lucid, you belief that as much as I do.

You can't, sorry, shouldn't be able to tell someone what they must pay for a job one is free to accept or decline. This is the first step in making things more complicated than they need be.


Now if a State or the federal government, for purposes of unemployment benefits, sees fit to set a minimum wage so that a person says, "this is the only job available to me and I will not work for that wage" and the State or federal government agrees to give that person that minimum amount, I can live with that because for that to be law, the people would have to agree that it is the right thing to do and we would all be chipping in to do the right thing not by forcing some to pay a wage they say they can not afford to pay and the State or the federal government deciding that they can or they can close their business. If the business wants to remain open and find employees, IT will decide if it can pay the wage demanded by State or federal government and agreed to by the people. This would insure that no business is started if a business owner can not pay the prevailing wage and the majority of us agree. Example: ditch digging job paying at or above minimum wage. If unemployed and seeking benefits, you must take this job.

On the other hand, if you are seeking unemployment benefits and there is a job offering this "prevailing wage"and you just don't like that kind of work, too bad. And if you lie on your application, you will be suspended from seeking benefits for 6 months.

Now it's always possible that I haven't completely thought through this theory so please, tell me where I'm wrong.

[gnadfly]

Originally Posted by bambino

They’ll just go to robots and IPads for ordering. It was coming anyways. Not many service businesses will pay 15$ per hr.

At my local McD's, everyone speaks Spanish. They closed those automated kiosks because of COVID distancing. All the local fast food places are ordering online via a smart phone apps with optional free deliver via grubhub or some other service. Its just not ff places. The local pho and chinese places are complaining they are being crushed because margins are thin.

Mom and Pop places won't survive the COVID "re-imagining."

[oeb11]

The death ofAamerican small business free enterprise in favor of government control via welfare - was precisely the plan of action of teh fascist DPST liberals - to destroy business in favor of a marxist revolution.

Clyburn - who gave us fiden - 'Never waste a crisis'!

[rexdutchman]

Stagflation is here to stay

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

Competition should set wages, PERIOD! I'm pretty sure when you are lucid, you belief that as much as I do.

You can't, sorry, shouldn't be able to tell someone what they must pay for a job one is free to accept or decline. This is the first step in making things more complicated than they need be.

It's above my paygrade Hedonist. I just believe if there's a choice between people being productively employed versus living off the dole, productive employment is a better option for everyone, employer, employee and taxpayer. Yes, competition should set wages, of course.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by Tiny

It's above my paygrade Hedonist. I just believe if there's a choice between people being productively employed versus living off the dole, productive employment is a better option for everyone, employer, employee and taxpayer. Yes, competition should set wages, of course.

Not in my scenario it isn't. As a voting citizen, I would give you and the rest of us voters, the right to say how this "wage theory" should work. If you and I agree, and it seems as if we do, competition should set the wage level, then the only thing State and federal government would have to say about the matter is, there should be some kind of safety net to keep Americans from starving. If jobs at a living wage, decided by the government with the consent of the people, truly aren't available, we don't make people take a job that doesn't pay this living wage. They are therefore" unemployed" and entitled to benefits that we through our Representatives set.This puts the responsibility on all of us and not the particular business owner who knows what he can pay and can't pay. If he can pay but he just doesn't want to, he'll be out of business. .


Nothing concerning government is above our pay grade to figure out. That is counter intuitive to the whole idea of Democracy.


"We" figure this shit out since "we" will be paying for it. The reason we are in this mess is because to many of us don't want to figure this out and leave it to people who have little or no skin in the game.


But the bottom line is, should be, that no business owner can be told what they must pay, period. Then "we" figure it out from there. I don't pretend to have all the answers to what we should do but I know damn well what we shouldn't do and "you must pay a wage that will put you out of business", is not it. What can or can't be payed in one town, in what state, can not, should not be decided by the federal government unless one can show me were the Constitution gives the federal government that right.

[Tiny]

Originally Posted by HedonistForever

Nothing concerning government is above our pay grade to figure out. That is counter intuitive to the whole idea of Democracy.

Philosophically I'm in 100% agreement with the rest of your post (not necessarily quote above.) I've thought about this issue enough to know I don't believe Washington should be setting minimum wages. And agree with you the state shouldn't either. If San Francisco or some other place wants to set a $30 an hour and I don't live there, more power to them. You don't want that kind of a wage to apply to a rural area in Mississippi. You want teenagers everywhere to have the opportunity to have work which they might not otherwise with, say, a $15 minimum wage.

Practically, not philosophically, I don't know where to take it from there though, except that your point that there must be competition is well taken. If you've got some outfit that's able to pay recently arrived refugees from Afghanistan or Myanmar $7.25/hour for back breaking labor because they don't know any better I'm not sure that's fair. The employer gets away with it because he's not having to compete for labor. Maybe that's an extreme example.

What I said about paygrade is that I suspect someone like LustyLad or CaptainMidnight would, at least with respect to the economic aspects, have a better handle on this than I do. Are you going to reduce employment significantly with a reasonable minimum wage? Will you put American businesses out of business?

If I'm not putting words in your mouth, you've got an excellent point, that it makes a lot more sense to have someone with a $7.25 per hour job working and receiving some assistance from the government, instead of sitting at home and just drawing government assistance because it doesn't make sense for an employer to pay him $15 an hour.

[rexdutchman]

SMH nobody going pay , till we all do

[Strokey_McDingDong]

300 dollars a week is less than 15 dollars an hour.

300 dollars a week comes out to 7.50 an hour full time.

So it's worthless shit unless these retards have some sort of super welfare I don't know about.

[bf0082]

Originally Posted by oeb11

The death ofAamerican small business free enterprise in favor of government control via welfare - was precisely the plan of action of teh fascist DPST liberals - to destroy business in favor of a marxist revolution.

Clyburn - who gave us fiden - 'Never waste a crisis'!

This guy has no understanding of raising the minimum wage, it takes people off the dole, the corporate welfare passed by reagan who allows places like mcdonalds and walmart to subsidize their pay with government insurance and welfare is to blame, got it backwards buddy, like all your right leaning thinking

McDonalds issued a statement and they love $15 an hour wages for their employees, they raised menu prices 20% and they are turning an extra 10% profit, than they were making before plus their revenue skyrocketed..... i swear you people with all your conjecture and false beliefs, spreading them as they were truths and facts..... SMH

[bf0082]

Originally Posted by Strokey_McDingDong

300 dollars a week is less than 15 dollars an hour.

300 dollars a week comes out to 7.50 an hour full time.

So it's worthless shit unless these retards have some sort of super welfare I don't know about.

The complaint is with the states like NY, who pays 50% of your wages on unemployment up to $525 a week, so max pay of over $1050 a week and your benefit is $825 to sit home for 18 months.
not to mention they were getting $1125 for the first 6 months.

there isnt any tax FFS, they allowed the first $10,500 in unemployment to be tax free, that with a $9,000 standard deduction, youd need to make over $19,500 in unemployment to owe any federal tax, states still collected their share.