John McCain dead at 81

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Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

McCain came from a highly decorated Naval family both his grand father and his father were both Naval Admirals. He was a little trophy for the VC that's why he wasn't tortured. His whole political career was based upon him being a POW. What's truly bizarre is He and John Kerry blocked a piece of legislation to locate and bring home several hundred MIA/POW's left in Southeast Asia. During the 2008 election Liberals were bashing McCain calling him a Warmonger among other things. Eight years later along comes Trump and he bashes Trump and Liberals are all now defending McCain and pronouncing him as a national treasure and War Hero, lol.

Jim

Getting beaten nearly daily by the Viet Cong and having one's arm broken so badly that you can't even comb your own hair 30 or more years after the fact don't constitute torture???

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Originally Posted by TheDaliLama

When a man plans his own funeral (that drags on for a week) and wants his casket taken from one capitol rotunda to another, with a two and half hour funeral service ... It tells you everything you need to know about how highly he regarded himself, what a narcissist he was, and what little (if any) humility was a part of his character.

I think he planned his own funeral because the doc told him that his time was up. What he really planned for were the speakers at his funeral. The other stuff wasn't his doing but the doing of others who loved and respected him so much. He could be the last one of his kind.

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Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

I would hope so if there is any confirmation of any remaining MIA's over there. I did here something interesting once that there was an effort to retrieve MIA's a few years after one of the Rambo sequels came out, when Rambo rescues MIA's after the government told him there wasn't any remaining MIA's. You might remember that sequel. There is no question Government lies to the public or withholds information we have a right to know. I think that's why Trump is hated, he's calling them out on it.

Jim

The MIAs in Vietnam are presumed dead and were probably killed immediately at the time of their disappearance. There are none that are held as POW as of today. The Viet Cong would have exploited POWs for propaganda and for political leveraging if they still had them. The MIA/POW myth was really the creation of Hollywood.

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Originally Posted by garhkal

Especially when he invited 'opposition' party members (such as Warren, gore, Albright, obama). BUT refused to invite trump or even his former running partner, Palin..





I've long been saying ,we need term limits. NO ONE should serve 30+ years in government.


I say limit it to 2 terms of 4 years in the house, 1 more in the senate.

There are term limits, it's called the other candidate. It's not the politician's fault if the American people don't get involved in the political process.

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by SweetArielRae

Yea he has a lot of character like crying and acting a fool on Twitter. Let’s give trump and his supporters a round of applause ��

Well even those that support him aren't crazy about all his tweets. I for one think he should give it a rest. But for a guy who has to contend with verbal aggression every minute of his waking hours, I think I can overlook it. Maybe it's Twitter that keeps him from going postal on some of these assholes.

Jim

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Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

Well even those that support him aren't crazy about all his tweets. I for one think he should give it a rest. But for a guy who has to contend with verbal aggression every minute of his waking hours, I think I can overlook it. Maybe it's Twitter that keeps him from going postal on some of these assholes.

Jim

With all the BS in the news about Trump not attending the funeral for McCain you would think he committed a mortal sin, the way I see it McCain didn't want him to attend his funeral so Trump did what he ask, besides that it saved the tax payer a lot of money

[Mr MojoRisin]

Originally Posted by BackToDrawingBoard

Getting beaten nearly daily by the Viet Cong and having one's arm broken so badly that you can't even comb your own hair 30 or more years after the fact don't constitute torture???

His arm was broken while ejecting from the jet. As far as torture he might have been slapped around a little bit at first until the VC realized who his descendants were then he was given medical attention he even admits that. Then he was propped up to do propaganda videos for the enemy. That's a known fact.

Jim

[garhkal]

Originally Posted by BackToDrawingBoard

There are term limits, it's called the other candidate. It's not the politician's fault if the American people don't get involved in the political process.

When many a time, the PARTIES are the ones who get to select (via funding and such) who runs against incumbents, its kind of hard for those of us who are voting, to get to vote OUT someone..

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incumbency has its advantages but it does have an expiry date that is at the whims of the voters.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

What’s your point? That he was “yellow?” And how does this BREITBART (no better than national Enquirer) graphics illustrate that, Dilbert?

[TheDaliLama]

Is he still dead?

[Yssup Rider]

Yes. And so are Twitler’s long term prospects.

[deju]

Originally Posted by Mr MojoRisin

His arm was broken while ejecting from the jet. As far as torture he might have been slapped around a little bit at first until the VC realized who his descendants were then he was given medical attention he even admits that. Then he was propped up to do propaganda videos for the enemy. That's a known fact.

Jim

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/john...ry?id=32574863

"McCain says his torture began in August of 1968. “For the next four days, I was beaten every two or three hours by different guards. My left arm was broken again and my ribs were cracked,” he said according to U.S. News. The North Vietnamese wanted a confession for crimes committed against the North Vietnamese people. After holding out for four days, McCain, at the point of suicide, agreed to write a confession. Looking back on his decision, McCain reflected “I felt just terrible about it… Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine,” he said, according to the report."

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Originally Posted by deju

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/john...ry?id=32574863

"McCain says his torture began in August of 1968. “For the next four days, I was beaten every two or three hours by different guards. My left arm was broken again and my ribs were cracked,” he said according to U.S. News. The North Vietnamese wanted a confession for crimes committed against the North Vietnamese people. After holding out for four days, McCain, at the point of suicide, agreed to write a confession. Looking back on his decision, McCain reflected “I felt just terrible about it… Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine,” he said, according to the report."

That's pretty much it. Then he did an estimated 32 propaganda videos for the VC. McCain came back was greeted by Nixon, given medals and ushered into a political career. The other POW's that returned were barely noticed, many lived a life of isolation and battled PTSD related depressive illness for the remainder of their lives and although they endured abusive torture by their captors none of them offered the VC compromising military information.

Jim