Do Americans truly understand 'redistribution of wealth'?

[WTF]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

WDF, you already know my position on taxes. Quit lying.

Show me where I lied about anything.

[CuteOldGuy]

WDF, you already know I would replace the tax code. There is no fix to it. It's bad, and it leads to the sort of stupidity you spout routinely.

And now we have you preaching to us from the Bible. It is the End Times.

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by markroxny

Because you don't want to see it.

Communist/socialists have almost always repressed Christianity. Marx said that religion was the opiate of the people. The Soviets and the Red Chinese have persecuted and murdered Christians.

If Christianity was compatable with communism/socialism, there would have been a natural alliance from the beginning; there hasn't been, because the communist/socialists want to replace the role of God with the State. The communist/socialists want the State to be the one to determine what is good and evil and how we should live our lives, not God.

[acp5762]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

I love it how here, on a SHMB, people quote the Bible to justify their point. Jesus promoted individual charity and compassion, not forced government programs. Hell, it was the government that had him killed.

Very good COG. Why can't that point be easily seen.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

WDF, you already know I would replace the tax code. There is no fix to it. It's bad, and it leads to the sort of stupidity you spout routinely.

And now we have you preaching to us from the Bible. It is the End Times.

I asked you to tell me where I lied.

When you fix the tax code, would the government get to keep the taxes it is owed?

[ChoomCzar]

Originally Posted by WDF

2 Corinthians 9:7

Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

[markroxny]

That's for the voluntary giving Marshall, not the tax that Jesus spoke about.

I thought you said you were smart and liked to read?

Guess not. We already know you didn't read the TOS too well, did you Marshall.

[Jackie S]

Originally Posted by markroxny

We are supposed to be a Judeo/Christian nation no? The Bible is socialist by your definition Marshall

We are a secular nation.

[markroxny]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

We are a secular nation.

Really? Do you have money in your wallet? Bills i mean (1's, 5's, 20's, 100's).

Take them out and turn them over and look at the back. Right in the center under the United States of America, what does it say?

[Randy4Candy]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

.......If Christianity was compatable with communism/socialism, there would have been a natural alliance from the beginning; there hasn't been, because the communist/socialists want to replace the role of God with the State. The communist/socialists want the State to be the one to determine what is good and evil and how we should live our lives, not God.

And the religious right, Governor Vaginal Probe, WannbeeVP and any other TeaParty Parrotriot want to replace God, not the role of God, with Ralph Reed and/or whomever becomes the next Jerry Falwell. We can see how the role of a human interpreter of God on earth with the power to issue edicts (i.e. "bulls" - very aptly named) worked out for the RC's, not to mention societies they came in contact with. RCv2.0, i.e the Church of England, along with the RC's and their less than glorious past, are the best reason - by far - for the separation of church and state and the one in the Founding Fathers' mind when they wrote it. Whether it's a monarch or oligarch, the head of state that's also the head of the national religion is, and always has been, a poisonous combination. That's also why I like the Heinz-57 herd of Christian denoninations we have here - pick 'em, from the Holy Rollers to the Unitarians and whatever's in between. I wonder how long that would last under the auspices of the evangelicals?

[acp5762]

Originally Posted by markroxny

Because you don't want to see it.

Oh is that it. I don't want to see it. Well then you still failed.

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by markroxny

We are supposed to be a Judeo/Christian nation no? The Bible is socialist by your definition Marshall

Obama says we're NOT a Christian nation. He isn't; that's for sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIVd7YT0oWA

[ForumPoster]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

Marx said that religion was the opiate of the people.

Actually the exact quote is "Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people".

If anything, Marx critiques the SOCIETY more than religion.

Originally Posted by joe bloe

Communist/socialists have almost always repressed Christianity.

Communists/socialists did not repressed only Christians. All religions were persecuted in good ole USSR.

Originally Posted by joe bloe

If Christianity was compatable with communism/socialism, there would have been a natural alliance from the beginning; there hasn't been, because the communist/socialists want to replace the role of God with the State. The communist/socialists want the State to be the one to determine what is good and evil and how we should live our lives, not God.

Russia became Christian in order to unite the country and establish centralized administrative control over its regions. It was PRACTICAL choice, not religious. When Bolsheviks came to power it was only natural that they had to destroy influence of the Church and replace it with their own ideals. I am not saying it is right or wrong, but considering what kind of power Orthodox Church held in Russia, keeping it intact would have been similar to keeping Czar's military officers in their commanding positions.