Who Really Invented the Internet? Hint: Not Government

[Doove]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

It would also surprise the hell out of me if anyone can decipher the point, if any, he was trying to make.

What i got out of it is that you're a gullible Obama hating sap.

[Submodo]

The bulk of the work was done at ARPA, and at the many universities that ARPA (and other government agencies funded.) Many of us did our graduate work working on such projects. ATT & Xerox brought it "the last mile."

Government - yes
Private firms - yes
Able to separate the 2 - once again, no

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by WTF

Did you even read the article? Do you understand how government research/funds are responsible for these things to happen? It is usually a combined effort. The government sinks funds into private companies to do the R&D. The article you linked says that the man responsible was employed by the, drum roll please......the GOVERNMENT. Yet you try and spin it as the "President lied". I highlighted parts for you from your article. You want me to come over and read it to you and then explain what it means?

The truth is a more interesting story about how innovation happens—and about how hard it is to build successful technology companies even once the government gets out of the way.
For many technologists, the idea of the Internet traces to Vannevar Bush, the presidential science adviser during World War II who oversaw the development of radar and the Manhattan Project. In a 1946 article in The Atlantic titled "As We May Think," Bush defined an ambitious peacetime goal for technologists: Build what he called a "memex" through which "wholly new forms of encyclopedias will appear, ready made with a mesh of associative trails running through them, ready to be dropped into the memex and there amplified."

as if facts mean anything to COF or any of the R&D Nazis

Xerox spun out PARC in 2002 as a separate company. At the time, it was funding almost 100 percent of work under way at PARC. Now, about 50 percent of the funding comes from the outside from entities such as a joint venture between Xerox and Fuji. About $10 million a year comes from government funding sources.


Bernstein says that licensing and other fees more than cover the costs of PARC's 165 researchers. And projects live or die based on how long it will take to get products out the door


no government funding for you !!!

[UB9IB6]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

The most legitimate role for government funding of scientific research, that ultimately benefits the private sector, is in basic research. That is to say, research that is done to aquire scientific knowledge without knowing what the application of the knowledge will be.

The private sector does research with concerns for relatively short term benefits. By it's nature, the private sector is motivated by profit.

The super collider research being done in Switzerland is yielding breakthroughs in scientific knowlege that may someday change the way we live. The short term benefit is non-existant.

America is no longer on the cutting edge of super collider research because government funding was cut for a super collider that was being built in Waxahachie, Texas in 1993. The breakthroughs in high energy particle physics, now occurring in Switzerland, could have been in Texas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superco...Super_Collider

Correct. Sad that the SC project bottomed out.
Ever wonder what the tunnels are used for now?
Obama mind control facilities?????
Romney villain lair??????

[Sidewinder]

See also http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...,5052169.story for a different take. Executive Summary: The WSJ article is basically very, very mistaken and incomplete.

ARPANet was a government project. TCP/IP, the protocols that made internetworking happen, was developed on government funding.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Sidewinder

See also http://www.latimes.com/business/mone...,5052169.story for a different take. Executive Summary: The WSJ article is basically very, very mistaken and incomplete.

ARPANet was a government project. TCP/IP, the protocols that made internetworking happen, was developed on government funding.

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

I love the Obamatons twisting and turning, insisting the President was taken out of context. I wonder how they will spin this one.

What say you , you gullible old bastard?

[CuteOldGuy]

Obama said the internet was invented by government for business. He lied. That hasn't changed. Keep spinning.

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Despite President Obama's insistence that the government invented the internet for business, a lie that sounded nice in the moment when taken in context, the internet was invented at Xerox. Here's the story.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...008406518.html

You lied. See the quote below. What kind of attorney were you anyway? Never mind. One lie out of you is enough.

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

It would surprise the hell out of me if Munchie understood what he posted. It would also surprise the hell out of me if anyone can decipher the point, if any, he was trying to make.

Numerous people got it. You not getting it?
No surprise there.

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Obama said the internet was invented by government for business. He lied. That hasn't changed. Keep spinning.

Typical of you to lie, not understand the word "spin", and to just be wrong, again.

Here is the quote;
"The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."

No spin in saying basic research is done with thoughts of future commercial application, military included. Think (that's a good one! Think!) hydrogen bomb= fusion reactor=cheap energy.

Once again, just because you say something doesn't make it true. The trends tend to say the opposite.

[CuteOldGuy]

What the President said was patently untrue. Therefore it is a lie. No spin there.

[WTF]

Opps

[WTF]

Spin it CutiePie, spin it like a DJ!

[CuteOldGuy]

This coming from the guy who spells "fuc" like a middle school girl, and giggles whenever someone says "homo". Pardon me if a fail to bow to your superior intellect.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Despite President Obama's insistence that the government invented the internet for business, a lie that sounded nice in the moment when taken in context, the internet was invented at Xerox. Here's the story.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...008406518.html

Obie said ..

"The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all companies could make money off the Internet."


taken in context, theres a difference between create and invent ...


an inventor has an original idea that may or may not be within his/her power to create said invention

in this particular case government funding acted to help create something someone else invented ...

glad I could help

[Sidewinder]

Originally Posted by CJ7

Obie said ..

"The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all companies could make money off the Internet."


taken in context, theres a difference between create and invent ...


an inventor has an original idea that may or may not be within his/her power to create said invention

in this particular case government funding acted to help create something someone else invented ...

glad I could help

The problem is with the claim that the reason that the Government paid for the research that created the Internet was SO THAT companies could make money off of it.

That statement is simply false.

The Advanced Research Projects Agency funded a lot of things. They funded ARPANet. They funded TCP/IP. They funded AlohaNet. They funded Packet Radio networking experiments in the Bay Area. Their charter at that time was to fund basic research that MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT pay off, but that looked like a good thing to do.

ARPA paid for a LOT of work at the MIT AI Lab, that had NOTHING to do with defense, EVERYTHING to do with basic research in computer science, artificial intelligence, and in general Getting Things Happening. The theory was that SOME of that work would turn out to be very, very useful.

And it did.

Packet switching with adaptive routing, the basic concept behind ARPANet, is GREAT for military command and control networks that have to cope with switching stations getting blown up, causing network topology to change unpredictably. Seamless internetworking is GREAT for those days when you don't have ONE network and ONE set of protocols to get from a given Point A to a given Point B, but, if you can make upper-layer protocols work over SEVERAL lower-level networks, and go through gateways, and the gateways figure out where to send the packets next.

ARPA's big decline came when Congress decided to rein them in and require them to fund only projects with direct, obvious, short-term relevance and payoff for the Department of Defense. It was about that same time that they began to be known as DARPA, for Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency.

All of this is available in the histories of the period. I happened to live through it.