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Old 06-12-2012, 01:35 PM   #16
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Serious minded Democrats are not defending the Obama record; I wouldn't waste my time countering the arguements of Ekim, CJ17, et al. They only deserve mockery for their feeble attempts at defending the undefensible !
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Old 06-12-2012, 01:46 PM   #17
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bullshit ... do I need to quote republicans (who had control of congress) that did everything in their power to block Clintons actions against attacking OBL ..
OBL declared war on the U.S. in 1996 -- Clinton was the POTUS. You cannot spin that, you dissembling fool. That is historical fact!

And you just admitted the Lewinsky Affair had a detrimental impact on Slick Willie's foreign policy.
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Old 06-12-2012, 01:58 PM   #18
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OBL declared war on the U.S. in 1996 -- Clinton was the POTUS. You cannot spin that, you dumb fuck. That is historical fact!

And you just admitted the Lewinsky Affair had a detrimental impact on Slick Willie's foreign policy.


ahhhh, the usual right wing high road debate tactics ... calling their betters dumn fucks and trying to spin away from the facts


nobody but you mentioned Clinton IB, nobody denys OBL set off a bomb 1 month after clintn took office, nobody denys clinton got his dick sucked ... the only detrimental impact on foreign policy came from the republican congress who were more concerned with a BJ than they were busting bin ladens ass for his actions a few years prior.. there are records that fully support that. Now be a good lil boy and go pat whirlie and Joe on the ass.
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Old 06-12-2012, 02:10 PM   #19
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ahhhh, the usual right wing high road debate tactics ... calling their betters dumn fucks and trying to spin away from the facts
You are not 'better', you pretentious asshole. See @
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nobody but you mentioned Clinton IB, nobody denys OBL set off a bomb 1 month after clintn took office, nobody denys clinton got his dick sucked ... the only detrimental impact on foreign policy came from the republican congress who were more concerned with a BJ than they were busting bin ladens ass for his actions a few years prior.. there are records that fully support that. Now be a good lil boy and go pat whirlie and Joe on the ass.
Yeah, you're right -- YOU didn't mention Clinton when your dissembling ass claimed W started two wars; thus, totally ignoring the fact that OBL declared war on the U.S. in 1996 -- during 'Slick Willie's' administration. Clinton committed perjury when he lied about getting a blowjob from a junior intern: two separate and prosecutable offenses -- thus Clinton demonstrated he could not be trusted to tell the truth. His lying caused everyone to doubt every subsequent statement he made -- and that had a negative impact on his foreign policy.
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Old 06-12-2012, 02:15 PM   #20
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Clinton's "Omnibus Counter Terrorism Act of 1995" would have:

"[P]rovided clear Federal criminal jurisdiction for any international terrorist attack that might occur in the United States [including] Federal criminal jurisdiction over terrorists who use the United States as the place from which to plan terrorist attacks overseas." Allowed deportation of "alien terrorists without risking the disclosure of national security information or techniques."
It would have "prevent[ed] fundraising in the United States that supports international terrorist activities overseas," implemented "an international treaty requiring the insertion of a chemical agent into plastic explosives when manufactured to make them detectable," and granted "more tools to federal law enforcement agencies fighting terrorism."
These proposed "tools" would have included: Providing for "disclosures by consumer reporting agencies to the FBI for counterintelligence and counterterrorism purposes." Also "relaxed standard[s] for obtaining 'pen registers' and 'trap and trace' device orders which already exists in routine criminal cases, to national security cases."
Note: a "'pen register' is a device which records the number dialed on a telephone" and a "'trap and trace' device is similar to 'Caller ID,'
providing law enforcement with the telephone number from which a call originates. [This] would not permit law enforcement to monitor actual conversations being conducted."
Clinton's proposals "would require hotel/motel and common carriers such as airlines and bus companies to provide records to the FBI pursuant to authorized national security requests just as they must do now for virtually all state and local law enforcement. [This because] FBI has found that, while some of these entities voluntarily provide such information, an increasing number refuse, absent a court order, a subpoena, or other legal protection.
Clinton also sought to "fund costs associated cases which arise in connection with terrorism crises, including logistics and other support"
and he wanted to "Create an interagency Domestic Counterterrorism Center headed by the FBI" to "establish a partnership effort between the Justice Department, including the FBI, and other federal and state law enforcement authorities to coordinate [ant-terror] efforts within the United States."
President Clinton "directed the Attorney General to conduct this assessment and report her recommendations in 60 days. The assessment has already begun" and directed "the FBI Director, the Attorney General, and the National Security Adviser to prepare a presidential decision directive authorizing any and all further steps necessary to combat foreign and domestic terrorism.
The Clinton Administration also submitted "New Legislative Proposals"
which called for investigations and hiring "approximately 1000 new agents, prosecutors, and other federal law enforcement and support personnel to investigate, deter, and prosecute terrorist activity," and would have made it more difficult for terrorists to commit - and easier for law enforcement officers to detect, prevent and investigate - terrorist acts.
It would have required "the inclusion of microscopic particles in certain raw materials, thereby permitting law enforcement to trace the source of the explosive even after a device has been detonated" and "permitted military participation in crime-fighting involving weapons of mass destruction ... to permit military participation in criminal cases involving chemical, biological, and other weapons of mass destruction; areas in which the military has specialized expertise."
Today, some Republicans claim President Clinton "did nothing" to combat terrorism. Back then - when they might have prevented the 9/11 attacks - Republicans blocked or stalled all of the anti-terrorism proposals above. First, they stone-walled for months despite Clinton Administration warnings. Then, the GOP watered-down key provisions.
Finally the Republican Congress passed S.735 "A bill to prevent and punish acts of terrorism, and for other purposes." It became Public Law
No: 104-132 when President Clinton signed it, despite his and others'
concerns that the Republicans watered down the bill too much.
As CNN reported: "Congress on Thursday passed a compromise bill ... a watered-down version of the White House's proposal. The Clinton administration has been critical of the bill, calling it too weak. The original House bill, passed last month, had deleted many of the Senate's anti-terrorism provisions...." See: "Congress passes anti-terrorism bill," CNN April 18, 1996:
http://www.cnn.com/US/9604/18/anti.terror.bill/index.html
Republicans weakened and blocked anti-terror legislation several times, sabotaging Clinton Administration efforts to keep us safe. President Clinton and his administration never stopped working to combat terrorism and kept pushing the Republicans for adequate anti-terror laws.
Other Clinton Administration anti-terrorism legislative proposals
include: The Comprehensive Antiterrorism Act of 1995, The Counter Terrorism Technology Research Act of 1995, The Antiterrorism Amendments Act of 1995, The Effective Death Penalty and Antiterrorism Act of 1995, and the Senate and House versions of The Omnibus Counter Terrorism Act of 1995
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Old 06-12-2012, 02:20 PM   #21
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Clinton's "Omnibus Counter Terrorism Act of 1995" would have:

"[P]rovided clear Federal criminal jurisdiction for any international terrorist attack that might occur in the United States [including] Federal criminal jurisdiction over terrorists who use the United States as the place from which to plan terrorist attacks overseas." Allowed deportation of "alien terrorists without risking the disclosure of national security information or techniques."
It would have "prevent[ed] fundraising in the United States that supports international terrorist activities overseas," implemented "an international treaty requiring the insertion of a chemical agent into plastic explosives when manufactured to make them detectable," and granted "more tools to federal law enforcement agencies fighting terrorism."
These proposed "tools" would have included: Providing for "disclosures by consumer reporting agencies to the FBI for counterintelligence and counterterrorism purposes." Also "relaxed standard[s] for obtaining 'pen registers' and 'trap and trace' device orders which already exists in routine criminal cases, to national security cases."
Note: a "'pen register' is a device which records the number dialed on a telephone" and a "'trap and trace' device is similar to 'Caller ID,'
providing law enforcement with the telephone number from which a call originates. [This] would not permit law enforcement to monitor actual conversations being conducted."
Clinton's proposals "would require hotel/motel and common carriers such as airlines and bus companies to provide records to the FBI pursuant to authorized national security requests just as they must do now for virtually all state and local law enforcement. [This because] FBI has found that, while some of these entities voluntarily provide such information, an increasing number refuse, absent a court order, a subpoena, or other legal protection.
Clinton also sought to "fund costs associated cases which arise in connection with terrorism crises, including logistics and other support"
and he wanted to "Create an interagency Domestic Counterterrorism Center headed by the FBI" to "establish a partnership effort between the Justice Department, including the FBI, and other federal and state law enforcement authorities to coordinate [ant-terror] efforts within the United States."
President Clinton "directed the Attorney General to conduct this assessment and report her recommendations in 60 days. The assessment has already begun" and directed "the FBI Director, the Attorney General, and the National Security Adviser to prepare a presidential decision directive authorizing any and all further steps necessary to combat foreign and domestic terrorism.
The Clinton Administration also submitted "New Legislative Proposals"
which called for investigations and hiring "approximately 1000 new agents, prosecutors, and other federal law enforcement and support personnel to investigate, deter, and prosecute terrorist activity," and would have made it more difficult for terrorists to commit - and easier for law enforcement officers to detect, prevent and investigate - terrorist acts.
It would have required "the inclusion of microscopic particles in certain raw materials, thereby permitting law enforcement to trace the source of the explosive even after a device has been detonated" and "permitted military participation in crime-fighting involving weapons of mass destruction ... to permit military participation in criminal cases involving chemical, biological, and other weapons of mass destruction; areas in which the military has specialized expertise."
Today, some Republicans claim President Clinton "did nothing" to combat terrorism. Back then - when they might have prevented the 9/11 attacks - Republicans blocked or stalled all of the anti-terrorism proposals above. First, they stone-walled for months despite Clinton Administration warnings. Then, the GOP watered-down key provisions.
Finally the Republican Congress passed S.735 "A bill to prevent and punish acts of terrorism, and for other purposes." It became Public Law
No: 104-132 when President Clinton signed it, despite his and others'
concerns that the Republicans watered down the bill too much.
As CNN reported: "Congress on Thursday passed a compromise bill ... a watered-down version of the White House's proposal. The Clinton administration has been critical of the bill, calling it too weak. The original House bill, passed last month, had deleted many of the Senate's anti-terrorism provisions...." See: "Congress passes anti-terrorism bill," CNN April 18, 1996:
http://www.cnn.com/US/9604/18/anti.terror.bill/index.html
Republicans weakened and blocked anti-terror legislation several times, sabotaging Clinton Administration efforts to keep us safe. President Clinton and his administration never stopped working to combat terrorism and kept pushing the Republicans for adequate anti-terror laws.
Other Clinton Administration anti-terrorism legislative proposals
include: The Comprehensive Antiterrorism Act of 1995, The Counter Terrorism Technology Research Act of 1995, The Antiterrorism Amendments Act of 1995, The Effective Death Penalty and Antiterrorism Act of 1995, and the Senate and House versions of The Omnibus Counter Terrorism Act of 1995
YOU didn't mention Clinton when your dissembling ass claimed W started two wars; thus, you totally ignored the fact that OBL declared war on the U.S. in 1996 -- during 'Slick Willie's' administration. Clinton committed perjury when he lied about getting a blowjob from a junior intern: two separate and prosecutable offenses. Clinton lied, demonstrating he could not be trusted to tell the truth. Clinton's lying caused everyone to doubt every subsequent statement he made -- and that had a negative impact on his foreign policy.
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Old 06-12-2012, 02:38 PM   #22
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ok fine

Bush started 1 war in Iraq and totally screwed up 1 counter attack in Afghanistan


clinton got his dick sucked and the republicans spent 100 million tax payer dollars to prove it while dismissing the terrorist threats.

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