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Old 06-11-2012, 12:07 AM   #1
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Default Obama's National Security Advisor named as source of leaks

Democratic pollster Pat Caddell has named Tom Donilon as the probable source of the leaks at the White House.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-T...urce-For-Leaks

Did these leaks cause the arrest and imprisonment of our ally (the doctor) in Pakistan? Did we lose our double agent in Yemen because of this guy? Was Seal Team Six ambushed and members killed because of this pig? Will Obama do something besides play another round in Las Vegas?
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Old 06-11-2012, 12:14 AM   #2
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No doubt the left will bring up Valerie Plame, and there really is no comparison. This is treason. Plain and simple.
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A dumbass surrounded by dumbasses.
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Old 06-11-2012, 05:50 AM   #4
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Think how Obama forcefully opposes extreme interrogations and Gitmo detentions, but has no "moral qualms " looking over a stack of photographs, points to one and says "he dies" (from a drone hit) .
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Whoever it is, if they are found guilty in a court of law, should be taken out behind the courthouse and shot, like the scumbags they are. Then let the buzzards pick their bones clean...!!!!
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is this the result of a investigation,or just one persons opinion?
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Old 06-11-2012, 07:55 AM   #7
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IMO; Pat Caddell is not reliable on this issue.

However, it is reported (in NYTs) that Bob Gates walked into Donilon's office (sometime after the leaks) and told Donilon to "shut up." Nobody is disputing the NYTs on that point. So, Donilon looks like a likely source IMO.
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Old 06-11-2012, 08:12 AM   #8
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Think how Obama forcefully opposes extreme interrogations and Gitmo detentions, but has no "moral qualms " looking over a stack of photographs, points to one and says "he dies" (from a drone hit) .
Drone hits make Obama seem macho. They make him seem like a hawk. The truth is every time we execute a terrorist with a Hellfire missile instead of capturing and interrogating, we lose valuable intelligence. Capturing should be the first choice. The war on Islamist terrorism is a war based primarily on intelligence.

Everybody seems thrilled that we killed Bin Laden. It would have been far better if we had taken him alive and water boarded him for a few months before we put him to death. It's reasonable to assume that Bin Laden had vast amounts of intelligence we could have used.

Killing Bin Laden reminds me of Lee Harvey Oswald being murdered before he was fully debriefed. Oswald may have taken the real truth about Kennedy's assassination to the grave with him.
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I disagree with the intelligence value that capturing/interrogating OBL would bring us. I think the nightime raid in Pakistan sent the strongest message to our enemy. But otherwise I agree with capture/detention/interrogation over out right kills.

And the OBL-LHO comparison is a bit of a stretch. We know the truth behind 9/11 it isn't like OBL capture would change the minds of any 9/11 truthers.
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I disagree with the intelligence value that capturing/interrogating OBL would bring us. I think the nightime raid in Pakistan sent the strongest message to our enemy. But otherwise I agree with capture/detention/interrogation over out right kills.

And the OBL-LHO comparison is a bit of a stretch. We know the truth behind 9/11 it isn't like OBL capture would change the minds of any 9/11 truthers.
I wasn't drawing the analogy between Oswald and Bin Laden because of the desire to refute 9/11 truthers. You're right, the truthers will never be convinced that America was the victim on 9/11. The truthers are determined to always blame America first. They will always twist the facts so that America is perceived as the bad guy. I'll bet a lot of truthers will probably tell that Japan had every right to bomb Pearl Harbor, that we provoked them and gave them no choice.
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Fuck em all. It is a given that Obama is many things including duplicitous as well as being an opportunist. Nobody in their right mind would ever consider him "macho" except for himself.
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