Voter ID? Why If Fraud Isn't An Issue????

[Seedy]

Originally Posted by Little Stevie

So please release the details. Voter fraud, if it really happened as you claim it did, is often punishable by a prison sentence yet you just make an anecdotal claim without facts. And since ballots are secret, how do you know for whom your dead father's imitator voted?

And Boltfan, I have no desire to debate about why putting the cart before the horse is a hard way to ride in a cart. Address the other issue of there not being enough voter fraud in the whole U.S. to fill half of Lew Sterrett with those found guilty. That FACT alone begs the question of why only Teapublicans are pushing the measure.

Gee, the TPunk "pedestalized" Founding Fathers didn't put dragging your unfinished Gilbert Stuart portrait to the polls as a requirement in the constitution. There were no photo IDs then. Oh the horror!

You really are that naive, my brother did report it to the DA, of course that fuck is a democrat. They didn't prosecute the black panthers in philly, or the acorns bastards here in houston, that admitted on tv they voted for obama like 11 times. Don't give me your bullshit. I stated a fact, I don't make shit up like you libs, or what I should say is communists, that word fits ya'll exactly.

[cptjohnstone]

Originally Posted by IIFFOFRDB

I don't think Steven is real. It's a computer robot created by Biden.

Biden cannot spell computer

[Little Stevie]

Originally Posted by seedman55

You really are that naive, my brother did report it to the DA, of course that fuck is a democrat. They didn't prosecute the black panthers in philly, or the acorns bastards here in houston, that admitted on tv they voted for obama like 11 times. Don't give me your bullshit. I stated a fact, I don't make shit up like you libs, or what I should say is communists, that word fits ya'll exactly.

You damned sure DO make up shit! You can't prove voter fraud with the sketchy crap you just supplied! The DA? LMAO! I don't just think you're lying. I KNOW you are either lying or don't have the facts straight.

"or the acorns bastards here in houston, that admitted on tv they voted for obama like 11 times" I am LMAO at your stupidity.

Yeah! Obama won by 11 illegal "acorns" votes. While Ohio Teapublicans turned away voters and/or threw out over 4,000 "conditional ballots" in predominately Democratic precincts.

Voter intimidation has far bigger numbers than voter fraud and they've been doing it to minorities and the elderly in Democratic areas for several elections now.

[CuteOldGuy]

Ok, now you prove your side, Stevie.

[Little Stevie]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Ok, now you prove your side, Stevie.

The sad thing about all of this is that no matter how much I prove, you'll still be stupid and you will still lift your leg and try to pee on every thread like a fractious little mutt.

[CuteOldGuy]

So you can't prove it. I thought as much.

[Little Stevie]

I did extensive research after the 2004 election.

Here are some excerpts telling of the examples of some of the Ohio disenfranchisement that was so pivotal in electing Bush a second time. Unlike the hanging chads in 2000 in Florida, these tactics were covered on a widespread basis.

The problem with holding anyone accountable is that the intimidation is just raises the "hassle factor" to a point where voting becomes difficult or impossible.

It is like the poll tax and literacy tests and comes from a whole different place than the much publicized but almost inexistent "voter fraud" screamed about by Teapublicans.

I'm looking forward to one of your special one-sentence irrelevant replies.

TESTIMONIES OF DISENFRANCHISEMENT
The Ohio State House takeover was the culmination of an eight-hour long afternoon of protest at the state capital by Ohio student and youth groups, including the Columbus and Toledo Leagues of Pissed Off Voters, Reach Out--Bowling Green, and the Central Ohio Peace Network. The earlier speak-out featured a litany of people who experienced or witnessed voter suppression, intimidation and disenfranchisement before and during the election. Thousand of Ohio voters had been disenfranchised by partisan poll challengers, intimidation incidents, voters polling places opening late, lines up to four and five hours long--often in the rain.
Here are a few of their stories:

Holly Roach of Toledo, Ohio spoke of her 74-year-old father, Frank Roach and her 89-year-old grandmother; Hazel Thompson requested absentee ballots in early October. Hazel Thompson is homebound and Frank Roach has been scheduled for heart surgery on November 2. Absentee ballots never arrived. They were told by the County Voting Commission that they could not vote with either regular or provisional ballots, because they had already requested absentee ballots and Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell has issued a directive forbidding provisional ballots by people who have applied for absentee ballots for them and not received (including some US service people who returned from Iraq). A lawsuit late in the afternoon of November 2 by a voter in Lucas County led to a late afternoon order by Judge David Katz of the Northern District of Ohio instructing the Ohio Secretary of State to immediately advise all county boards of election to advise polling precincts in their counties to issue provisional ballots to voters in this situation.
Evan Morrison, a young get out the vote volunteer, told of polls opening late. One poll at Glenwood Elementary in Toledo, OH opened more than half and hour late.. During that time, from 6:30 to after 7AM, more than 50 people left without having voted. An hour and a half after the polling site opened, the Republican election official said they had run out of pencils, bringing voting to a halt. Evan ran to the store and bought a bunch of number 2 pencils out of his own pocket so voting could resume. Voting continued until 11AM, by which time up to 100 more people had walked away.
Suzie Husami, a University of Toledo student said in a press conference that her voter registration challenged by Republicans along with 35,000 other mostly newer registrants. She received a letter from the Board of Elections reading NOTICE OF HEARING Pursuant to Ohio Revised Code Section 3503.24: your registration is being challenged. The reason stated as the basis for this challenge is that you are unqualified to vote because you are not a resident of the precinct where you can vote. A hearing has been set at the above stated place and time. You have the right to appear, testify and call witnesses and to be represented by an attorney. The letter was addressed from Paula Hicks-Hudson, Director of the Toledo Board of Elections. Although the challenges to her were thrown out in court the day before her hearing‹three days before the election, many people who received such letters were likely discouraged from voting.
Alli Starr, also being a get out the vote volunteer told about how 25 minutes before polls closed in Toledo, Ohio, Republican challengers were witnessed harassing voters at the Mott Library, Central City polling station, a low-income African-American community. Observers said that they believed these challengers had repeatedly called the police producing absurd stories in order to intimidate voters. One of the Republican challengers was recognized as Dennis Lange, a prominent local business owner who owns Pumpernickels.[???] Mr. Lange aggressively tried to push back African-American community members who were poll watching and voting at the site. At one point more than four police and sheriffs officers, including undercover officers, were witnessed at the site for no apparent reason. For a photo go to http://michiganimc.org/newswire/display/7580/index.php

PRE-ELECTION VOTER SUPPRESSION
But even before election day, the Baltimore Chronicle reported November 1 that "Through a combination of sophisticated vote rustling, ethnic cleansing of voter rolls, absentee ballots gone AWOL, machines that 'spoil' votes---John Kerry begins with a nationwide deficit that could easily exceed one million votes."
Troy, Michigan Republican State Rep. John Pappageorge, a Michigan Bush campaign Co-Chair, was quoted in July 16 edition of the Detroit Free Press as saying, "If we do not suppress the Detroit vote, we're going to have a tough time in this election." Blacks comprise 83 percent of Detroit's population, and the city routinely elects Democratic candidates by substantial margins. The British Broadcasting Company has also disclosed a memo to top Republican officials in Florida identifying voters in predominantly black precincts for possible challenge.
The secretaries of state, usually the chief election official at the state level, in four battleground states--Michigan, Missouri, Florida, and Ohio have all taken top campaign posts for Bush and have been accused of manipulating state election laws to restrict voter access on behalf of Republicans. Ultra-right Ohio Secretary of State, J. Kenneth Blackwell, the co-chair of the Ohio Bush campaign, together with the Ohio Republican Party are at the center of this nationwide effort to steal the election through voter suppression, intimidation and corruption. In the months leading up to the election, Blackwell attempted to require that registration applications that were not posted on the correct weight paper be cancelled. His efforts to suppress the vote have continued. Blackwell sought to restrict access to provisional ballots: he challenged of the validity of over 35,000 new voter registrations in the state (recently thrown out by a Federal Judge): he issued unclear directives regarding the right of ex-felons to vote.
"In state after state, Republican officials and operatives are working to deny American citizens the right to vote," charges Wade Henderson, executive director of Leadership Conference on Civil Rights (the country1s largest civil and human-rights coalition). Miles Rapoport, former Secretary of the State of Connecticut and President of the nonpartisan public policy organization Demos, says "As the election approaches, chilling reports continue to surface of major efforts to prevent people from voting. Legions of partisan challengers' are being readied for the polls on Election Day; Latino registrants in rural Georgia are being targeted; and tens of thousands of new Ohio registrants have been challenged. All appear to be organized campaigns. These anti-democratic activities must be stopped."
TOUCH-SCREEN VOTING
Additionally, the new touch voting machines being used in 29 states and the District of Columbia, have been widely criticized by elections officials and computer scientists and as susceptible to hacking and malfunction. Election Data Services, a consulting firm, predicted 29 percent of voters would use touch-screen machines on voting day.
According to the November 3 Globe and Mail, "several dozen voters in six states -- particularly Democrats in Florida -- said the wrong candidates appeared on their touch-screen machine's checkout screen, the coalition said. In many cases, voters said they intended to select John Kerry but when the computer asked them to verify the choice it showed them instead opting for President Bush, the group said. Roberta Harvey, 57, of Clearwater, Fla., said she had tried at least a half dozen times to select Kerry-Edwards when she voted Tuesday at Northwood Presbyterian Church. After 10 minutes trying to change her selection, the Pinellas County resident said she called a poll worker and got a wet-wipe napkin to clean the touch screen as well as a pencil so she could use its eraser-end instead of her finger. Ms. Harvey said it took about 10 attempts to select Mr. Kerry before and a summary screen confirmed her intended selection."
On November 9, 2003, the New York Times reported: "In mid-August, Walden W. O'Dell, the chief executive of Diebold Inc., sat down at his computer to compose a letter inviting 100 wealthy and politically inclined friends to a Republican Party fund-raiser, to be held at his home in a suburb of Columbus, Ohio. 'I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year,' wrote Mr. O'Dell, whose company is based in Canton, Ohio. That is hardly unusual for Mr. O'Dell. A longtime Republican, he is a member of President Bush's 'Rangers and Pioneers,' an elite group of loyalists who have raised at least $100,000 each for the 2004 race. But it is not the only way that Mr. O'Dell is involved in the election process. Through Diebold Election Systems, a subsidiary in McKinney, Tex., his company is among the country's biggest suppliers of paperless, touch-screen voting machines. Judging from Federal Election Commission data, at least 8 million people will cast their ballots using Diebold machines next November. ... Some people find Mr. O'Dell's pairing of interests -- as voting-machine magnate and devoted Republican fund-raiser -- troubling." http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/09/bu...ney/09vote.htm
*Co-founder of the Citizens Alliance for Secure Elections, Susan Truitt said today:

"Seven counties in Ohio have electronic voting machines and none of them have paper trails. That alone raises issues of accuracy and integrity as to how we can verify the count. A recount without a paper trail is meaningless; you just get a regurgitation of the data. Last year, Blackwell tried to get the entire state to buy new machines without a paper trail. The exit polls, virtually the only check we have against tampering with a vote without a paper trail, had shown Kerry with a lead. ... A poll worker told me this morning that there were no tapes of the results posted on some machines; on other machines the posted count was zero, which obviously shouldn't be the case." (Institute for Public Accuracy http://accuracy.org )

[CuteOldGuy]

Well, I have to admit, I agree about the touch screens. They are incredibly easy to manipulate. As far as the rest of it, it looks like it was copied from a liberal site. Many of the glitches (opening late, running out of pencils) effected both parties. Both parties practice intimidation, and both parties should stop.

But I doubt you did this in 2004. I think you googled this after my post, and this is what you came up with. But I appreciate the effort.

BTW, I didn't vote for Bush in either 2000 or 2004.

[Seedy]

Originally Posted by Little Stevie

You damned sure DO make up shit! You can't prove voter fraud with the sketchy crap you just supplied! The DA? LMAO! I don't just think you're lying. I KNOW you are either lying or don't have the facts straight.

"or the acorns bastards here in houston, that admitted on tv they voted for obama like 11 times" I am LMAO at your stupidity.

Yeah! Obama won by 11 illegal "acorns" votes. While Ohio Teapublicans turned away voters and/or threw out over 4,000 "conditional ballots" in predominately Democratic precincts.

Voter intimidation has far bigger numbers than voter fraud and they've been doing it to minorities and the elderly in Democratic areas for several elections now.

Fuck you jack off, there is a record if someone voted, in an election. My father was dead and for 8 of the 9 years he is gone, someone voted for him. Of course no one knows for who but he was registed as have voted . So fuck you, you ignorant ass. He kept his registration as democrap so he could tell them to go fuck themselves when they called for a donation, I do the same freakin thing.

[CuteOldGuy]

It is classless to attack someone's deceased father. But it's Stevie, he doesn't know any better.

[JD Barleycorn]

Five times I have taken the time to find voter fraud stories and posted them here or linked them. Stephanie cannot remember where she left her panties after last night and she can't remember what I posted. Lil Stephanie will continue to get knocked up and continue to blame the milkman.

[Seedy]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

It is classless to attack someone's deceased father. But it's Stevie, he doesn't know any better.

That's OK, COG, it shows just what kind of people the libs are. It happens on both sides, but the dems are far and above the pro's at it. That's how blue states stay blue, except for the lunatics that live in new york and california...lol

[dilbert firestorm]

the alleged voter suppression thing by the republican party. is that a pretty serious thing they'e doing with regards to dirty tricks.

[Boltfan]

Good job deflecting Little Stevie.

Yes it was a one liner, but that is all that is needed for a reply.