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Old 03-15-2010, 07:53 PM   #61
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And make sure that your shoulders are strong enough, as I'd love to hike my dress up and wrap my legs around them. Should I still wear the stilettos?
Hell yea! You can put spurs on'em if ya like!


Nicolette, let me give ya some(more) sage advice (not that you need it). Treat the lowliest among us as you would the one who you think will take care of you. That will be noted not only by the peasants but the Kings. Though I have a feeling you were born with all the advice you need.


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The act or practice of engaging in sex acts for hire without a director or camera man. Because Porn stars are not considered prostitutes. So bring a video camera and make it legal.
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Yeah, porn is an interesting one. It is the third party paying both the gal and guy that is part of the difference. Silly distinction really but it is part of why the California courts (freedom of expression is the other) have ruled making porn legal in CA.
Disclaimer: I am not an attorney.

There have been two legal cases that addressed the issue of why the production of porn movies is not prostitution: California vs Freeman (1989) and New Hampshire vs Thenault (2008). The Thenault case used the same argument as the Freeman case. The Freeman case made the pornographic industry legal in California.

The State of California because it did not like the decision reached by the California Supreme Court in the Freeman Case appealed the decision to the US Supreme Court. Below is the response by the US Supreme Court.

California vs Freeman:
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=488&in vol=1311

“…in order to constitute prostitution, the money or other consideration must be paid for the purpose of sexual arousal or gratification…Applying this principle to Freeman, the court characterized the payments made to the performers as "acting fees" and held that "there is no evidence that [Freeman] paid the acting fees for the purposes of sexual arousal or gratification, his own or the actors'."

This Wikipedia article provides more information on the Freeman Case.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_v._Freeman

In New York vs Big Apple Oriental Tours a decision was reached in January 2009 that the services provided did not constitute the promotion of prostitution. Big Apple Oriental Tours was a sex tour operator that provided tours to Asia. Their argument that time for money even if sex is strongly implied does not equal prostitution was successfully upheld in court. It was a very long six year legal battle.
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Maybe this analogy may upset folks, but society is at best a collective, nervous, quirky, animal ready to split at the sinews at any given time, so why even bother caring what "they" think?
A very Bohemian way of thinking.

American society is very idealistic. It cannot stand the truth. It must believe in its delusions.
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Nicolette, let me give ya some(more) sage advice (not that you need it). Treat the lowliest among us as you would the one who you think will take care of you. That will be noted not only by the peasants but the Kings. Though I have a feeling you were born with all the advice you need.



I always do. You see, if there's one thing I've learned in life; it's to have humility.


“We come nearest to the great when we are great in humility.”
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That's so philosophical, WTF. I love it, and thank you!



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There can be made an argument that they may actually be more pragmatic than their sisters who chose to give it away. I am not sure how that can be viewed as damaged.
I never said it was.
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Greetings all!

My musings on the escort industry:

(1) It has reinforced the importance of having a good woman in my life. An escort is a poor substitute for the real thing. I think this is a paradoxical result given how society and the Religious Right demonize the industry.

(2) If you have to ask the question, “Is she worth it?”, then the answer is NO. The correct question to ask is, “Do I want to spend time with her?”

(3) Having a good experience starts with the Client. Treating the lady like a “piece of ass” will result in the lady treating the client as an ATM machine. Treat the lady like a person and it will take you far.

(4) A good experience means that at some level an emotional connection is reached. Otherwise, the experience is dehumanizing.

(5) An emotional connection does not mean that a personal relationship is sought or formed. Personal relationships are of the “real world” and the escort-client professional relationship is the stuff of dreams and fantasies. People need their dreams and fantasies. An emotional connection just means that the people involved acknowledge each other’s humanity - we are not machines.

(6) I’ve tried to assess whether my activities have been damaging to either the girls or to society in general. I don’t see it. I don’t understand why prostitution is illegal.

Just my thoughts.
Interesting findings, Absinthe.

1. I totally agree with you here. But you have to understand that it's really hard to meet quality women or men that you are sexually attracted to AND is willing to be the open-minded freaky bastard in the bedroom when you get there. We provide what is supposed to be that balance that everyone needs in their life. But I agree, most definitely not a substitute.

2. This is true both in the hobby and real world. And I think both questions are legitimate. When it comes to the opposite sex, worst case scenario is that you may want to spend time with a woman that may not be worth what you're shelling out. Whether that's a financial or an emotional toll.

3. I don't think it starts with the client only, I think it starts with the lady's view of herself as well, and this will in turn determine her clientele. And in turn, treating each other well will result in positive experiences in the hobby overall.

4. I soo agree with you about emotional connections. The time has to be taken in order for that connection to be reached. However, one thing people have to understand is you control NO ONE but yourself, and you can't hurt anyone who wasn't already hurt. You can't break a spirit that wasn't already hanging by a thread. So dehumanization starts within. Even if we don't have the best time, we can just chalk it up to bad chemistry.

5. I agree wholeheartedly with this statement. You have no arguments with me here.

6. As with my statements above, you can't damage someone who wasn't already damaged, and why this path isn't for every woman. A lot of ladies get into this the wrong way. The girls that just figured out that they were pretty, and that they could get what they need/want for that reason only. Who, without growth and education will know no other path but needing men for money. I think if they do legalize it in the US, I think there should be an education requirement. If you haven't finished high school, you should not be allowed to be a provider. (I know, dreaming, right?) But I agree with Lina, if you view this as a source of income, it will be draining in every way possible. There are ladies that I know that have done nothing BUT this. They look up and they're 40. With no skills to do anything else. It is a very sad reality, but a true one. I have preached this to every young woman that I can that this is not something you do out of desperation. Change the woman's opinion about herself, you change the way of the world.
As far as it's impact on society, if we don't take the opportunity at every turn to educate our young ladies about their options in life, no one will arrive at the decision to do this willingly. Their needs to be more focus on the youth of the US to prevent disparity among kids who may not have the guidance that they may need to make the best decisions in life, despite of what they see around them.
As for the comments on the legality of prostitution in other countries, it's being associated with human trafficking and slavery by those in the US because it's hard to know who's doing this on their own free will. And such is the case here in the US as well, considering the AMP market here.

I have enjoyed this post, and am sad that I could not reply sooner.
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