AIDS prevention - juxtaposition of worlds

[Guest041413-2]

MODs, come on man! 5th amendment is one thing but this is the REVERSE of screaming "fire" in a crowded/packed audi(torium) resulting in deaths, etc.

I don't know your rules but you should consider closing this thread AND a permanent BAN(not me, just so we're clear).

(I've followed this thread for a while BTW). This is COMPLETELY inaccurate, a dis-service to the hobby world and WRONG in the most worst way).

mijo

Originally Posted by woodyboyd

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp038194

"Among a few strains in the Bethesda laboratory that grew in continuous cell lines, one came, unbeknownst to both of us, from the third isolate from a patient with Kaposi's sarcoma in Paris. The origin of the HIV strain with a very high capacity for growth that could readily overcome other HIV strains in culture — and which contaminated cell cultures in several laboratories, beginning with both of ours — was unraveled only in 1991, thanks to the use of the polymerase-chain-reaction technique."



Government officials did the exact opposite of what you accuse them of. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_the_Band_Played_On

"And the Band Played On: Politics, People, and the AIDS Epidemic is a nonfiction book written by San Francisco Chronicle journalist Randy Shilts, published in 1987. It chronicles the discovery and spread of Human Immunodeficiency Virus (HIV) and Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS) with a special emphasis on government indifference and political infighting—specifically in the United States—to what was initially perceived as a gay disease. Shilts' premise is that while AIDS is caused by a biological agent, incompetence and apathy toward those who were initially affected by AIDS allowed the spread of the disease to become much worse; AIDS was allowed to happen."

There is no point in even arguing with someone like you. The facts don't agree with anything you have said. You could talk to countless medical personnel or San Francisco support groups to see the explosion of AIDS was not some government fabrication, but I am not sure even that would convince you of anything.

[Sa_artman]

Mr Bill is just an attention getter, like Marshall and COG. They troll through a dizzying array of disinformation and regurgitated copy paste. I only hope through his moronic posting on the sandbox someone new to the hobby doesn't listen to his dangerous rhetoric and use common sense.

[John Bull]

Let's be sure to argue with the message, not the message deliverer. If someone is an idiot - not referring to anyone in particular - it will be apparent w/o anyone calling him/her an idiot. OK?

[MsElena]

How about idgit? I learned that from looney tunes.

[JDNorthface]

Originally Posted by John Bull

Let's be sure to argue with the message, not the message deliverer. If someone is an idiot - not referring to anyone in particular - it will be apparent w/o anyone calling him/her an idiot. OK?

But what's your advice when that idiot - not referring to anyone particular - is using these forums to spread malicious information that could be dangerous and deadly to the well-being of those who use the forums?

[WTF]

[quote=JDNorthface;2134136]But what's your advice when that idiot - not referring to anyone particular - is using these forums to spread malicious information that could be dangerous and deadly to the well-being of those who use the forums?[/quote]

How about do not be an idiot and believe the idiot spreading caca!

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by Sa_artman

Mr Bill is just an attention getter, like Marshall and COG. They troll through a dizzying array of disinformation and regurgitated copy paste. I only hope through his moronic posting on the sandbox someone new to the hobby doesn't listen to his dangerous rhetoric and use common sense.

Wow! Thanks for the credit, Sa_artman. You obviously don't read what I post.

Let Bill spout off. Believe it - or Not!

[John Bull]

Originally Posted by JDNorthface

But what's your advice when that idiot - not referring to anyone particular - is using these forums to spread malicious information that could be dangerous and deadly to the well-being of those who use the forums?

Respectfully, that's not your job!

[JDNorthface]

Originally Posted by John Bull

Respectfully, that's not your job!

There seems to be a lot of that going around. Respectfully.

[Mr. Bill]

Originally Posted by John Bull

Respectfully, that's not your job!

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[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by JDNorthface

But what's your advice when that idiot - not referring to anyone particular - is using these forums to spread malicious information that could be dangerous and deadly to the well-being of those who use the forums?

Did anyone of you guys see the movie "Contagion"? There is a guy spreading around stuff that is inaccurate in the internet, and many believe him. It`s the dangers of the new medias.

As the russians used to say : "Believe (or trust) is good, but proof is better". Generally speaking I`d not trust anything if I did not research it myself or discuss profo9undly.

[Mr. Bill]

"Watson, how many times have I told you, whenever you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, is the truth."

- Sherlock Holmes





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[NinaBrooke]

Originally Posted by Mr. Bill

"Watson, how many times have I told you, whenever you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, is the truth."

- Sherlock Holmes





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Did anyone of you read about the possible AIDS vaccination? And the first "cured" case in Europe (was some kind of blood washing or such that cured him). There also are people immune against the disease.
It is an interesting discussion.

The ethical measurements in doing this research are although ... bothersome....
People are tested in Africa because the legal and ethical methods for research are not as strict and a lot of abuse can be happening there...