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MsElena · 06-11-2011, 09:44 AM

"A friend of mine saw her and gave a very positive recommendation. There was some discussion about her price structure that I think was just about being new to the biz and wasn't quite sure how things go. Just put down 200 to 250 and tell her you want it all. Money talks, BS walks.
As for someone not having many posts, keeping your mouth shut never got anyone in trouble. Just because someone has a lot of posts doesn't mean they know anything or are reliable. Because someone has few posts may mean they are cautious and wise."

In my opinion that's called taking advantage of the lady. Money doesn't talk all the time as I'm sure some guys can attest to that.

If she's new to the biz, then she needs to start talking to other ladies to help her figure out what her rates. Any guy who just throws down money and says that, is taking advantage her. What does, "want it all" include? Maybe she doesn't want to "give it all." "Want it all" could include some things that ladies who've been in the business a long time won't do and shouldn't do.

As for reviews......I do question reviews about a new girl if the review is done by a person who just joined. But, that's just me. People question reviews all the time, its part of human nature to question people period. You're correct, just because a guy has 200 posts/20 reviews under his belt doesn't mean that he knows what he talking about, but it also could mean that he does know what he's talking about.

kidwhat69 · 06-11-2011, 11:28 AM

Can't speak for anyone else (nor do I want to), but anytime I've been with a provider, I make every reasonable attempt to know what she's cool with and what she's not before the session "begins" (without getting into a semantics debate, I'm operating under the assuption that whenever the initial conversation more or less ends and physical contact of some sort begins is "the beginning"). Of course, sometimes, not all activities are discussed, but I've never noticed too much awkwardness when I've asked if some activies are acceptable mid-session. For me, if she says, "No," well then that's the end of that. Call me crazy, but engaging activities that I've learned the provider doesn't want to engage in would be the ultimate turn-off.

I don't know, call me weird, but I try to focus on making the session as enjoyable for the provider as possible. This isn't totally, altruistic, mind you, since part of the appeal is knowing I made her feel good. Maybe it's just me, but I've always found haggling the tackiest of human behaviors. I realize that it's not only acceptable, but accepted, in some cultures but it's not something I do and strive to avoid the impression that I engage in.

I definitely get where your coming from with your statement. I didn't really get from the post you were quoting that that person was suggesting in demanding or expecting activities the provider isn't cool with, but respect that it's a great point to repeat, even though it shouldn't have to be.

Guess I've always operated under the premise that the provider is "the boss" of the session. A provider isn't some girlfriend with an unadventerous past who needs coerced or cajoled into trying new things that she might enjoy. What she says go, period. Unfortunately, I'm sure many of the providers here can attest to experiences with prior clientele who don't conduct themselves this way, which is a shame, and probably part of the rationale for the paternalistic social legislation that affects their profession. Bottom line: No means no. If you didn't learn that back in sex ed in junior high or whenever, you should probably consider some sort of psychological treatment.

jfarmer · 06-11-2011, 12:55 PM

It could be that since it is no longer possible to leave reviews in places like Escorts.com that people are looking for another source of information to go by,I dont think its right to question reviews if someone has just joined in,afterall this is a free forum. people do have the right within reason to post what they want here for the entertainment and information to others in the hobby.Now not every one has to agree with what they have written,it is our right to question the reliability of the source but should not be automatically assumed that its wrong because you dont post 10 times a day or there is not a huge number of reviews under your belt.I for one do not write alot of reviews here,Mostly because I see the same people alot and it would be redundant to keep saying the same things over and over.,for me I read alot of posts and if the subject is something I know nothing about then I have the ability to move on and say nothing,and if I have something to add I do but only because I have had a simular experience of want to help in some way.
We are here to welcome new members and we dont vote to see who can join and who cannot so..I welcome kidwhat69 and his new review to the board knowing that the accuracy of it is intact and more than likely according to what he wrote is dead on about the experience in question.I found this site quite by accident and joined not all that long ago,having over 60 reviews on other sites,so does that mean my 1 or 2 reviews that I carry here make my opinion any less viable than the rest?? I think NOT

jfarmer · 06-11-2011, 01:08 PM

As for the "money talks" situation I have always been one to give more than was expected of me if the hourly rate is 225 then 300 makes a nice round number to work with I dont do alot of "whats allowed" discussion, people can communicate with each other as the meeting unfolds,just because I have already overpaid dosent mean that I expect anyone to do anything they are not comfortable with. Its just my way of doing business and nothing more.For the most part the provider dosent even know she was tipped until after I leave anyway unless she counts ahead of time,in which case if she does count ahead then she is probably not worth seeing again anyway. I guess alot of my habits come from seeing the same group of people and therefore I already know what to expect, AND one last thing being a new girl in town and being a decent provider that those of us in the hobby can rely on to not be a scam artist is refreshing to say the least,regardless of how many people say otherwise.

John Bull · 06-11-2011, 02:57 PM

Be nice to newbies! We need the traffic and more traffic is good for us all. The baddies will be weeded out in time.

boomer_ci · 06-11-2011, 04:06 PM

Well said farmer. I couldn't agree more.

Katharine Butler · 06-18-2011, 09:56 PM

jfarmer:

It's nice to meet you.

I agree with you that it's more fun/romantic/sexy to just let things develop as they do than each present a list of do's and don't right at the start. if your feet are ticklish we'll figure it out and if its a good or bad thing.

If I don't like tongues in my ears my squeals and squirms should tell you. So, that's all good.

But, if a lady pre counts her donation you wont see her again? Why on earth not? I prefer my donations to be plced in an unsealed envelope in the bathroom as soon as you arrive. After you drop the envelope and freshen up (I always have toothbrushes and toothpaste, two types of mouthwash,unscented, spray deodorant and unwrapped soap ready for you.) then when your done I sit you on the couch to take off your shoes and socks and I go to freshen up and change into some naughty lingerie and heels . While I'm in there I will check the contents of the envelopes.
You be susprised how often i have found empty envelopes, envelopes with half the donation, and etc... both from new clients and clients I have seen previously.
Why is a discrete system that i suggested be a problem?
Kat

MsElena · 06-18-2011, 10:09 PM

JB,

I'm being nice to the newbies.....I love newbies.

JFarmer,

I didn't see your post until tonight. Its nice of you to tip the ladies, over tip them or whatever you wish to do.

With that said........why does it bother you and make you decide not to see a lady if she counts her fee before the session starts? I think its safe for me to say that the ladies who get their fee upfront and counts is only making sure she isn't getting ripped off. Every lady has had it happen to them at one point and its just a safety precaution.

jfarmer · 06-25-2011, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MsElena

JB,

I'm being nice to the newbies.....I love newbies.

JFarmer,

I didn't see your post until tonight. Its nice of you to tip the ladies, over tip them or whatever you wish to do.

With that said........why does it bother you and make you decide not to see a lady if she counts her fee before the session starts? I think its safe for me to say that the ladies who get their fee upfront and counts is only making sure she isn't getting ripped off. Every lady has had it happen to them at one point and its just a safety precaution.

sorry been out for awile,to answer your question it seems a turn off for me personally to wait while the money is counted and yes I do know that we do not all play nice and do the right thing but I trusted you not to be LE so dont make me feel uncomfortable by counting the cash in front of me..makes me feel like the cuffs are coming out next. I guess everyone has there quirks here and that is mine.

MsElena · 06-25-2011, 11:30 PM

It would be rude for a lady to count it in front of you. I usually excuse myself to the bathroom or the gent excuses himself to go to the bathroom. That's when it should be counted.

I would suggest that you guys remember the next time you see a lady, to excuse yourself to the bathroom and allow her to count the cash. Then, there's no worries, everyone is happy and the real fun can begin.

farmstud60 · 06-26-2011, 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MsElena

It would be rude for a lady to count it in front of you. I usually excuse myself to the bathroom or the gent excuses himself to go to the bathroom. That's when it should be counted.

I would suggest that you guys remember the next time you see a lady, to excuse yourself to the bathroom and allow her to count the cash. Then, there's no worries, everyone is happy and the real fun can begin.

Exactly Elena, which is what I try to do.

Guest083011 · 06-26-2011, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Katharine Butler

jfarmer:
You be surprised how often I have found empty envelopes, envelopes with half the donation, and etc... both from new clients and clients I have seen previously. Kat

Dear Kat and the ladies reading, How shitty for guys to do that. I wonder how they would feel if their boss gave them their pay envelope and it was shorted or $0.00. Betcha they'd be pissed and counted and made sure it was right before the payroll person walked away or be running to HR/payroll. I don't work for free either (ok some days it feels like I do LOL

But it is MY choosing).

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Originally Posted by MsElena

JB, I'm being nice to the newbies.....I love newbies.

And Elena likes us experienced guys too!!

And we like her!

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Originally Posted by MsElena

It would be rude for a lady to count it in front of you. I usually excuse myself to the bathroom or the gent excuses himself to go to the bathroom. That's when it should be counted. I would suggest that you guys remember the next time you see a lady, to excuse yourself to the bathroom and allow her to count the cash. Then, there are no worries, everyone is happy and the real fun can begin.

If it is a first time meet I am absolutely ok with a quick count the cash confirmation. She doesn't know me.

Hopefully we will already have a rapport where a level of trust is already there. That seems to be more the case with me these days, I become a bud first and then when we meet we can spend time roaming each other’s bodies and the fee is left up front or at the end both of us are comfy.