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Old Yesterday, 07:14 PM   #1
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Default Real, actual voter fraud - as usual - is committed by Republicans

You know, real voter fraud. The kind that gets proven in the court of law, with real evidence.

Proof, yet again, that every trump accusation is a confession. The only serious cases of voter fraud, election tampering, etc, found in recent years have all been committed by trumpers.

Yet another trump toady goes to prison for him. Hilarious. Have fun for the next 9, beeyotch

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/former...y?id=114474158
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I’m sure the likes of McConnell, McCain, Graham, Romney, Murkowski were elected by Deep State voter fraud. They’re traitors too.
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At least you're starting to realize who actually commits the voter fraud. Hint: it's always the people crowing the loudest about it.
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At least you're starting to realize who actually commits the voter fraud. Hint: it's always the people crowing the loudest about it.
What? I’ve known for years what’s going on in this country. You actually believe Joey Bribes got 81 million votes and is running the country. When, even his own party said he’s incapable and kicked him out? Connect the dots Tommy. Our government has been run by people who we didn’t elect. Or don’t know. Except for JFk. Reagan and Trump. That’s why they were targeted for assassination. Duh
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What? I’ve known for years what’s going on in this country. You actually believe Joey Bribes got 81 million votes and is running the country. When, even his own party said he’s incapable and kicked him out? Connect the dots Tommy. Our government has been run by people who we didn’t elect. Or don’t know. Except for JFk. Reagan and Trump. That’s why they were targeted for assassination. Duh
Wow. It's really, really hilarious that you believe all that. I mean, wow dude. Just... fucking wow.

Anyway, as many times as you've falsely claimed that Dems commit voter fraud, with no evidence whatsoever... this has gotta sting a little. Lol. Yet another Republican gets caught doing what they accuse the other side of doing.

It's 1930s German history repeating itself in America. And you're the mark.
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Wow. It's really, really hilarious that you believe all that. I mean, wow dude. Just... fucking wow.

Anyway, as many times as you've falsely claimed that Dems commit voter fraud, with no evidence whatsoever... this has gotta sting a little. Lol. Yet another Republican gets caught doing what they accuse the other side of doing.

It's 1930s German history repeating itself in America. And you're the mark.
Well, Tommy, you’re naive. But you keep supporting and voting for Globalists. They don’t care if you’re a conservative or a libtard. They want to enslave you. But you do you.

YAWN
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Hit me up when they nab a Democrat for voter fraud. I mean, in the court of law. With evidence. For real, not pretend time.
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Quoting someone who's a bit smarter than me, for a wall of text that MAGA isn't going to read


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Voter IDs sound like a reasonable requirement, but there's really no reason for them. Prior to 2000, most states required no ID at all and there was never any evidence of issues with the integrity of elections. Even the states that did require voter ID at that time had very loose requirements. Since then, Republicans have constantly moved the goalpost, instituting stricter and stricter ID requirements. Now, in Arizona, Republicans have required proof of citizenship to even register.
This is causing issues in Arizona in which nearly caused 100,000 voters eligibility to be suspended before the state supreme court intervened. Republicans are attempting to institute similar laws in New Hampshire as well as nationally with the Safeguard American Voter Eligibility Act (SAVE, HR 8281). In 2024, Republicans threatened a government shutdown in an attempt to force the SAVE Act into a necessary spending bill.
But in the early 2000s, Republicans started getting the idea that they could sway close elections through a variety of means: gerrymandering
, voter ID laws, and voter roll purges.
I'll focus on voter ID laws since that's the topic of this post.
First off, while it sounds reasonable since we generally expect that people have some sort of ID, that expectation is not nearly as true as most people think:
  • This 2006 study from the Brennan Center found that “as many as 11 percent of United States citizens - more than 21 million individuals - do not have government-issued photo identification.”
  • Another study in Texas indicated that 4.5% of those already legally registered to vote likely lacked proper ID.
This lack of proper ID is felt most strongly in minority communities as confirmed by numerous studies.
  • This 2018 study, which studied voters in Michigan, found “non-white voters are between 2.5 and 6 times more likely than white voters to lack photo ID.”
    • A follow-up study in 2021 found that “minority voters were about five times more likely to lack access to ID than white voters.”
  • A lawsuit challenging voter ID laws in Wisconsin found that 7.3% of white voters, 13.2% of African-American voters, and 14.9% of Latino voters (for a total aggregate of 9% of voters) lacked proper ID.
  • A 2016 review in Wisconsin found that minority voters were 5 times as likely to need a new ID.
  • The above study from the Brennan Center states, “twenty-five percent of African-American voting-age citizens have no current government-issued photo ID, compared to eight percent of white voting-age citizens.”
  • A 2009 study in Indiana also found that African-American voters were significantly less likely to have IDs no matter what form of ID was required.
  • This 2016 study found that 7.5% of registered African-American voters were missing from federal ID databases while the same was true for only 3.6% of white voters. The value was 5.7% for Hispanic voters.
Aside from racial lines, voter ID laws also cut along economic and age divisions. The above Brennan Center study states that 15% of Americans making less than $35,000 per year lack necessary ID as do 18% of citizens age 18-24 as they are likely to move more frequently and thus, not have an ID that reflects their current address. Both of these demographics lean strongly Democrat.
This is a fact that Republicans are well aware of. In 2011, one GOP senator’s aide admitted Republicans were “giddy” over the prospect of what voter ID laws could do for them. This was echoed in 2012 when Republican Mike Turzai of the Pennsylvania House openly claimed the state’s voter ID law would allow Mitt Romney to win. Also in 2012, Robert Gleason, chairman of the Pennsylvania Republican party stated voter ID laws contributed to Obama winning the 2012 election by a smaller margin than in 2008. In 2016 where Republican Congressman Glenn Grothman admitted that voter ID laws would make a difference. Also in 2016, North Carolina Republican official Don Yelton stated new voter ID laws would “kick the Democrats in the butt” because it would hurt “lazy blacks that want the government to give them everything.” That same year, former South Carolina Republican senator and then president of the Heritage Foundation stated that “in the states where they do have voter ID laws you’ve seen, actually, elections begin to change towards more conservative candidates.”
The same is true in 2018 where a Republican Senator from Mississippi stated “there’s a lot of liberal folks in those other schools who maybe we don’t want to vote. Maybe we want to make it just a little more difficult. And I think that’s a great idea.” In some states, GOP led efforts to implement voter ID laws have been struck down, such as in North Carolina in which a four judge panel found the law targeted minorities with “surgical precision.” In Texas, a court found that a voter ID law intentionally selected IDs that whites were more likely to carry.
More recently, Republicans have singled out college students, disallowing student IDs for voting. This has been seen in IA, ID, KY, MO, NC and OH.
The lack of proper ID, or even worry about it, may also discourage voter turnout. A study in Wisconsin found “that 11.2% of eligible nonvoting registrants were deterred by the Wisconsin’s voter ID law”. A 2014 study by the Government Accountability Office found “decreases in Kansas and Tennessee beyond decreases in the comparison states were attributable to changes in those two states' voter ID requirements.” In 2015, 9% of non-voters in one district in Texas cited the voter ID law as their primary reason in a study by Rice University. This study found “substantial drops in minority turnout in strict voter ID states and no real changes in white turnout. Hispanic turnout is 7.1 points lower in strict voter ID states than it is in other states in general elections and 5.3 points lower in primary elections. For Blacks, the gap is negligible in general elections but a full 4.6 points in primaries. For Asian Americans the difference is 5.4 points and 6.2 points. And for multiracial Americans turnout is 5.3 points lower in strict voter ID states in general elections and 6.7 points lower in primary contests.”
This was affirmed by a 2019 study which determined, “Where [voter ID] laws are enacted, turnout in racially diverse counties declines, it declines more than in less diverse areas, and it declines more sharply than it does in other states. As a result of these laws, the voices of racial minorities become more muted and the relative influence of white America grows.”
TLR - Voter IDs sound reasonable, but it's attempting to solve a problem that doesn't exist and is one of many Republican tactics aimed at disenfranchising political opponents.

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... Voter Fraud in the state of Georgia. ... By DEMOCRATS
and covered-up by Republicans.

... Please see some of me "award winning" GA Election threads
over in the Political forum for all the details!

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... Voter Fraud in the state of Georgia. ... By DEMOCRATS
and covered-up by Republicans.

... Please see some of me "award winning" GA Election threads
over in the Political forum for all the details!

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I'm sorry, I genuinely don't understand what you are asking? Or stating? What?
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It would help if Democrats would clean up their outdated voter registration rolls, like Republicans are doing in most GOP-run states:

"...the Virginia attorney general... identified 6,303 noncitizens on its voter rolls in 2022 and 2023, while Texas had removed 6,500 noncitizens from its voter rolls. Of those, 1,930 had a history of voting."

Whaddaya think the numbers in California would be, if Gov. Gruesome was honest and agreed to check his state's voter registration rolls for US citizenship?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tho...nswers-garland
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The best part of this story is this idiot breached voting machines in Mesa County - a county that trump won. Lol. She deserves 9 years just for being that fucking stupid.

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