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Old 09-19-2023, 03:02 PM   #1
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The leftist idiots in NYC are considering removing statues of George Washington, create reparations task force amid budget cuts

As New York City cripples under monumental budget cuts due to a migrant crisis straining public resources, the city council is planning to consider a series of measures that would, among other things, remove statues of major historical figures like George Washington and create a reparations task force.

The items are included in New York City’s council agenda for Tuesday, September 19, 2023.
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Let's not forget, President Trump long ago predicted this insanity of the left
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Old 09-19-2023, 11:41 PM   #3
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This was inevitable because it was never just about confederate statues with the leftists because they hate America.

Tearing down confederate statues was just a part of their larger goal: tearing down and destroying all of the history of real Americans.

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Ask a kid about George Washington, they’ll tell you he was white and a slave holder. This is the state of education.
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Washington was indeed white and did indeed own slaves. Not sure why simply knowing that is such a bad thing.

More importantly, he was also was the OG Grandfather of the Peaceful Transfer of Power. Something MAGA is very uncomfortable with.
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Ask a kid about George Washington, they’ll tell you he was white and a slave holder. This is the state of education.
Indeed - Leftists have destroyed public education and turned it into leftist indoctrination camps

The fact that NYC wants to remove statues of our first President and one of the founding fathers of our country tells you all you need to know about the dumb, deranged leftists
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That tells you what you need to know about certain leftists in NYC.

Little more. Just another reason to pitch them as the boogeyman in your daily dish of fear salad and grievance.
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Honestly I never understood the reason, to tear down statues that were part of history. Not always a shining star in history, but history nonetheless. Better a reminder so we don't recreate the blunders of the past.
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Honestly I never understood the reason, to tear down statues that were part of history. Not always a shining star in history, but history nonetheless. Better a reminder so we don't recreate the blunders of the past.
That's basically my position in most of the statue and monument discussions.
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Washington was indeed white and did indeed own slaves. Not sure why simply knowing that is such a bad thing.
It’s a bad thing because it’s meaningless drivel, so far down the list of facts about him that it wouldn’t even come up in a cursory overview of his life. Unfortunately, the public education system is controlled by woke leftists who see actual education as secondary to indoctrination and groupthink.
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The bill in question would give the city the option to add a plaque to the monuments, explaining their atrocities:

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news...ith-monuments/

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The bill would require the city to remove works of art on city property that depict a person who owned enslaved people, directly benefited economically from slavery, or participated in systemic crimes against indigenous people and humanity.

The bill also suggests if the statues aren't removed, an explanatory plaque next to the work of art would be needed.
I, personally, don't have a problem with the statues, one way or another. The bigger issue is why YOU care if they're removed. Giving you all the benefit of the doubt, I'm going to say it has everything to do with America not having a culture prior to the formation of its government. For that reason, an inordinate amount of the country's national identity is tied to its founders.

You ask an Italian, what it means to be Italian, or a Frenchman what is to be French, and they'll tell you about their food, their music, their language, their art...their CULTURE. Italy's current government has only existed since 1948. France's dates back to 1958. Even in our neck of the woods, Canada's constitution only dates back to the 80s. Because of that, they do not uphold their "founders" as demigods to be eternally revered.

America's identity is tied to it's founders and their ideas and beliefs. Therefore, when we question those men, a certain subset takes that as an attack on America and what it means to be American. I don't give a fuck about those guys. They were not infallible, and their vision is not unimpeachable. We can and should view them holistically and many of them were shit human beings. We can love this country without upholding their myths. They are not that important.
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Honestly I never understood the reason, to tear down statues that were part of history. Not always a shining star in history, but history nonetheless. Better a reminder so we don't recreate the blunders of the past.
Put them in a museum and let the "stars and bars" people volunteer to clean the bathrooms and sweep the floors.

Ain't no statues of Hitler in Germany.
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