Interesting find on why rates are going up when business should be down

[BLM69]

I'm all in for supporting the premium looking hookers

[Pangolier]

Originally Posted by Sir Lancehernot

What's the supply side like these days? A cursory glance here every now and then seems to indicate that both quantity and quality have been been diluted since my last encounter more than three years ago. (I acknowledge I could be wrong.)


My own theory is that a lot of women who might have become "hobbyist helpers" have opted for the SB route. It's become as easy, even easier, to mitigate risk in the P4P arena by signing up on a site such as SA, IMHO. And for some, the difference between SB and whore is zilch; but others find it easier to justify their income source by telling themselves, "I'm not a whore; I'm a sugar baby," or, as a friend of a friend used to say when asked about her job: "I have sponsors." Which leads to a secondary thought: I'll bet it's easier to tell some friends that you have sponsors and get them thinking about doing the same thing than it is to tell them you're an escort.


But back to something resembling the original point: I think we can agree that the women whose clientele are hedge fund managers and NBA players can still charge what they were charging a couple of years ago without losing much business. What's interesting to me is that, when layoffs start hitting and/or the unemployment rate starts to rise, it seems like you'd see an increase in supply as some women enter the business out of economic necessity. That should put downward pressure on rates. But I've never noticed either to be the case. Perhaps the increase in supply is matched by a decrease in demand as potential clients are also finding themselves laid off? Shrug.

It sounds like what you are implying is that there's a counter balance. Women who lose their conventional jobs and don't know what to do, turn to an alternative means of income, possibly even one they've never done before. At the same time, some of the guy who could afford to see girls of that profession are no longer able to do so due to their own economic woes. But this in theory would result in a supply surplus. By that logic rates would shoot down sharply. That's not happening as of Feb 2023, in fact quite the opposite. Unless of course we are looking at the girls practicing on the street, or listcrawler / STG girls maybe.


Also interesting how you point out that the "sugar babies" seem to have deluded themselves to such an extent that they no longer feel the psychological pressure of the stigma associated with being a prostitute. Didn't think too much about that aspect until now, because at the end of the day there's no difference in that they are both fucking for money. Boy, I would sure hate to be someone that egocentric and supercilious. Someone like that has lost all touch with reality, perhaps even more so than patients of psychiatric hospitals. Ouch!

[Anonymous01]

Originally Posted by TexTushHog

We are not remotely in a recession. We’ve had two consecutive quarters if strong growth.

“Real gross domestic product (GDP) increased at an annual rate of 2.9 percent in the fourth quarter of 2022, after increasing 3.2 percent in the third quarter.”

https://www.bea.gov/data/gdp/gross-domestic-product

The economy is run I g so we’ll, the Fed is raising interest rates to slow it down, for Christ’s sake

The richest 1% increased during the pandemic - more new billionaires than at any other point in economic history. Everybody else is collateral damage. The system is working just as it was designed, and codified by law, intended. STFU and choke yourself!


P.S.: Nobody "invests" anymore! That is SOOOO 60's! You buy into a hedge fund and make beaucoup money betting on what businesses will fail! Instant gratification! That's how the newest crop of billionaires all made their billions - "investing" AGAINST successful start-ups! It's the American way! NOW GO STFU and CHOKE YOURSELF AGAIN!

[oldbutstillgoing]

#1 They own us no explination or justification for their rates. Pay up or move on. Don't even bother trying to figure it out

#2 If in doubt , see #1

[Pangolier]

Originally Posted by oldbutstillgoing

#1 They own us no explination or justification for their rates. Pay up or move on. Don't even bother trying to figure it out

#2 If in doubt , see #1

They own or they owe? I decide who I wish to see regardless of price. I'm pointing out an enigma, based on economic conditions. Or, the business of some SW revolves solely around suadi royal princes, and their similar ilk. From all appearances it's a successful business strategy. Albeit perplexing. I would seem people who have access to that much money only want to see SW who charge that much, regardless of appearance, age, or quite frankly any other factors, besides presumed prestige.

[TinMan]

This economic climate can’t be compared to any in the last 40 years. We aren’t in a recession (or at least we weren’t in one at the end of last year) but folks who are living paycheck to paycheck are suffering.

Inflation is essentially a regressive tax, and we may be seeing that play out in the hobby economy. The ladies need to raise their rates to pay the rent (and typically are living paycheck to paycheck), and many of their clients still have enough discretionary income to pay those rates.

I think BLM is right: the upper tier SWs aren’t yet having to lower their rates. The ladies serving the paycheck-to-paycheck guys may be a different story.

[mtabsw]

Anyone else shop at Walmart?

Most prices are up.

Now take a look at the labels on the non-grocery items. Almost everything is made in China.

In case you missed the news, we have 19.9% Tariff on most Chinese Imports (they have a 21% Tariff on ours). And this is up from about 2-5% 5 years ago.

No wonder we have so few Chinese escorts

[DallasBella]

Originally Posted by Ralph Fults

Cuts in tech are effecting the West Coast. Quite a few people nervous about next quarter.

Yes, I actually just had a client tell me that “two large tech entities” recently filed for bankruptcy, which is going to have a nasty trickle down effect. I did not ask what those companies were though!

[Sir Lancehernot]

Originally Posted by Pangolier

It sounds like what you are implying is that there's a counter balance. Women who lose their conventional jobs and don't know what to do, turn to an alternative means of income, possibly even one they've never done before. At the same time, some of the guy who could afford to see girls of that profession are no longer able to do so due to their own economic woes. But this in theory would result in a supply surplus. By that logic rates would shoot down sharply. That's not happening as of Feb 2023, in fact quite the opposite. Unless of course we are looking at the girls practicing on the street, or listcrawler / STG girls maybe.

I know. I haven't spent time really thinking about it, merely musing. Perhaps unemployment rises more quickly among those new to the workforce or in jobs closer to entry level (e.g., recent college or HS graduates, retail, service sector) than among people further up the earnings ladder. If that's the case, all other things being equal, you'd see an increase in supply but not much of a decrease in demand, maybe a slight increase in response to the greater availability. But, as has been pointed out, prices are going up everywhere. I see rents going up in my job, and my obligation to pay a friend's rent has increased significantly with each renewal. Shrug. I dunno.

Also interesting how you point out that the "sugar babies" seem to have deluded themselves to such an extent that they no longer feel the psychological pressure of the stigma associated with being a prostitute. Didn't think too much about that aspect until now, because at the end of the day there's no difference in that they are both fucking for money. Boy, I would sure hate to be someone that egocentric and supercilious. Someone like that has lost all touch with reality, perhaps even more so than patients of psychiatric hospitals. Ouch!

Among those on sites such as SA who aren't using it as a substitute for ECCIE's ad section or even Backpage, I think the ability to be selective (don't some request initial meetings in pubic?) works into this equation, along with the idea that it'll be one or a handful of guys rather than an endless procession. There's also the dream that some actually have of funding someone who'll spoil them in an LTR.



Like I said, I muse more than I actually think about it.