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Old 10-11-2022, 08:37 AM   #46
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I’ve not heard any solutions from either side that works. During Obama a border deal was negotiated but the far right killed it. Since then it’s been demagoguery against the policy of whoever is in power. No, the border isn’t any more secure today than it was in prior years. The border wasn’t secure under any president. Fortunately, the situation in the US has gotten better over time especially compared to the countries where immigration to the US is worst. Hence the growing problem year after year.
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Old 10-14-2022, 12:31 AM   #47
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How about if we talk about this Bigly Biden lie - "the border is secure!"

Care to comment on that whopper?

I already did, post #8 item #6.

Biden's process to control the border is not working. At least children are not separated from their parents.

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Old 10-14-2022, 12:40 AM   #48
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Thank you. I didn't want to take the time to do what you did. You are correct.
Thank you good sir. You are one of the best posters in on the board.
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Old 10-14-2022, 04:48 AM   #49
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Name ten verified lies Trump said while in office but I bet you can't? You are probably aTypical liberal who belives the lies told by the party and the fake media and social medias censord platforms.
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Old 10-14-2022, 06:13 AM   #50
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Name ten verified lies Trump said while in office but I bet you can't? You are probably aTypical liberal who belives the lies told by the party and the fake media and social medias censord platforms.
I could cite many sources which contain lies Trump has told but you will simply believe the source is part of the "fake media" so what is the point? Every time Trump claims he lost the election due to voter fraud he is lying. When he says he can declassify documents simply by thinking about it, he is lying.

“There doesn’t have to be a process, as I understand it,” Trump said. “You’re the president of the United States, you can declassify just by saying it’s declassified, even by thinking about it.”

Pressed further, Trump insisted he had declassified the documents in question when he left the White House, again without pointing to proof of such."


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Old 10-14-2022, 06:37 AM   #51
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politifact is a bought and paid for tool used by the lying media and the dnc.
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Old 12-09-2022, 04:26 AM   #52
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This list ain’t nothing compared to Trump lies
You are nothing more than a Hunter Biden wannabe
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Old 12-09-2022, 02:25 PM   #53
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politifact is a bought and paid for tool used by the lying media and the dnc.

That doesn't change the fact that what SR just said is true. We ALL need to stop this knee jerk reaction to WHO is saying something and concentrate on whether what was said is true. In this case, it is easy enough to believe that Trump actually believed what he was saying therefore not making it a lie but sheer ignorance which Biden displays everyday and the Left will not acknowledge JUST LIKE some on the right will not acknowledge Trumps MANY faults but I vote for policy issues not personalities and I have no doubt that many on the left are saying the same thing about Biden. I don't understand how anybody could support Biden POLICIES. How can any American support the willful border policy of the Biden administration and lying about having a secure border multiply times a day while looking at a couple of Border Patrol officers trying to "register" 700 illegal migrants at one time. What do you people that support Joe Biden, say to yourself every time you hear a Biden official say with a straight face, "the border is closed and secure"? Do you say to yourself, "that's a lie but I'm not going to admit that in public for fear of hurting the guy you support? And you wonder why and curse Trump people who do the same thing.



Having said that, Joe Biden is giving Trump a run for his money on lying. Why can't we hold people accountable regardless of their political party.


Call a lie a lie every time you see it no matter who it hurts.
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Old 12-09-2022, 04:34 PM   #54
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So you bring whether trump believes a lie or not into the equation.
If he says things he doesn't believe how are we to tell? Why would you give him any benefit of a doubt?

Stop trying to hijack this thread.

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That doesn't change the fact that what SR just said is true. We ALL need to stop this knee jerk reaction to WHO is saying something and concentrate on whether what was said is true. In this case, it is easy enough to believe that Trump actually believed what he was saying therefore not making it a lie but sheer ignorance which Biden displays everyday and the Left will not acknowledge JUST LIKE some on the right will not acknowledge Trumps MANY faults but I vote for policy issues not personalities and I have no doubt that many on the left are saying the same thing about Biden. I don't understand how anybody could support Biden POLICIES. How can any American support the willful border policy of the Biden administration and lying about having a secure border multiply times a day while looking at a couple of Border Patrol officers trying to "register" 700 illegal migrants at one time. What do you people that support Joe Biden, say to yourself every time you hear a Biden official say with a straight face, "the border is closed and secure"? Do you say to yourself, "that's a lie but I'm not going to admit that in public for fear of hurting the guy you support? And you wonder why and curse Trump people who do the same thing.



Having said that, Joe Biden is giving Trump a run for his money on lying. Why can't we hold people accountable regardless of their political party.


Call a lie a lie every time you see it no matter who it hurts.
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Old 12-09-2022, 06:34 PM   #55
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This list ain’t nothing compared to Trump lies

Ok, since I have an expert on "comparing lies", I might as well ask, where does "if you get the vaccine, you will not get and can not pass Covid", come in on that list of lies and how much damage it may have done? That lie cost millions of Americans their job for not getting a vaccine that we now know wouldn't have saved anybody but the person not getting the vaccine ( maybe ), cost our economy billions in loses and the lock downs pushed back education and child development for years. Then there is the continuing lie of the border being secure which is also costing American lives from the migrants themselves to Border Control agents, drug deaths and the expense that even Democrat Mayor's are acknowledging but not holding Biden accountable.

Which lie of Trumps, was comparable?

Let's do a comparison of lies since we all know that both Trump and Biden lied and what is important is, whose lies are doing the most damage.

Let's have a debate on which lies did/ are doing the most damage to the nation.

Let me guess number one on the libs list, Jan.6th. If not for Jan.6th, Babbitt might be alive and the what 4,5 others that were not killed that day but others blame the event for their deaths. OK. One day and that event is over. The Covid and Border lies continue to this day.
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Old 12-24-2022, 05:14 AM   #56
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Trump told 30,000 plus lies. He is still telling them. He is still telling new ones. Trying to compare Biden "lies" to trump lies is a total farce. It's your opinion Biden's "lies" are worse than trump's.
Biden didn't shut the country down. He didn't put mask mandates in place. People were constantly finding out new information about the virus. The vaccine didn't cause extra deaths. You constantly distort the story and continue to pour out bullshit.
Again, it's why you seldom include links.
You hype nonsense and downplay any story that shoots holes in your narrative.
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Ok, since I have an expert on "comparing lies", I might as well ask, where does "if you get the vaccine, you will not get and can not pass Covid", come in on that list of lies and how much damage it may have done?Getting the vaccine really doesn't have a down side for the vast majority of people. It's true that it reduces severity for most people and keeps many people from getting the virus at all. That lie cost millions of Americans their job for not getting a vaccine that we now know wouldn't have saved anybody but the person not getting the vaccine(The vaccine wouldn't have saved anyone? That's total bullshit and if you don't know that them you're past saving. What's worse is you believe the bullshit (unfounded and made up)that fuels the trumpy narrative. ( maybe ), cost our economy billions in loses and the lock downs pushed back education and child development for years. States did their own lock downs. Millions lost their jobs because they didn't get the vaccine?
Bullshit. Let's see some proof. Again, trump was doing the "superspreader" events and holding misinformation press conferences without passing on real information about the virus. He was doing the talking instead his own experts.
Then there is the continuing lie of the border being secure which is also costing American lives from the migrants themselves to Border Control agents, drug deaths and the expense that even Democrat Mayor's are acknowledging but not holding Biden accountable.

Which lie of Trumps, was comparable?

Let's do a comparison of lies since we all know that both Trump and Biden lied and what is important is, whose lies are doing the most damage.

Let's have a debate on which lies did/ are doing the most damage to the nation.

Let me guess number one on the libs list, Jan.6th. If not for Jan.6th, Babbitt might be alive and the what 4,5 others that were not killed that day but others blame the event for their deaths. OK. One day and that event is over. The Covid and Border lies continue to this day.
What total bullshit. How can getting the vaccine be considered bad? The number of people who got sick after receiving the vaccine is relatively small and it's proven it reduces the severity in many instances.

You're the only person I know who keeps bringing up the vaccine "lie". At the time, it was thought to be the truth.
As far as drugs entering the country, they mostly come in through ports and truck crossings. Just like they always have. Anyone who says the borders are open is full of shit. Could they do a better job? Of course.

As far as claiming dems would say Jan. 6 is the number 1 lie is pure speculation. Trying to downplay it is completely foolhardy. Trump and gang tell lie after lie and try to rewrite history. The amount of misinformation that is spread is unbelievable. Something trumpys forget is the vast majority of the witnesses were repubs. The repubs could have had more people on the committee but they tried to have deniers who would have tried to gum up the works.

You personally continue to spread misinformation that has been debunked/proven incorrect numerous times.
One of my favorites is the 51 intelligence officers claiming the laptop was Russian disinformation. What they said was that they didn't know if it was real or not. But the method used was similar to the 2016 election method used by the Russians. It took a year and a half after the election to confirm anything on the laptop was real. There is no confirmation of anything other than the emails were sent to H. Biden. His replies to those emails are not confirmed.
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Old 12-24-2022, 01:57 PM   #57
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politifact is a bought and paid for tool used by the lying media and the dnc.
Been asking repeatedly for another site that is balanced, highly factual to vet sites for such and no one has stepped forward with a link.

Hope to see you soon Winnie with a link to such.

Merry Xmas.
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Old 12-24-2022, 07:45 PM   #58
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That is another lie
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That is another lie
Until the uptight right give an alternative as asked for, ima sticking with a proven one.
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