What is teh Democrat party?

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

I’ll add, your position would be like me taking Goehmert, Margie Green and Boebert and ascribing their words to all Republicans.



OK, let me state for the record, that nothing I say in the future applies to all members of any party.



You do the very same thing when you talk about Republicans. You never suggest it is only a small portion or a large portion, just Republicans. Funny how you can never see in yourself what you see in others.


That was never my intention to say, all Democrats. I don't think I said it, I think it was your interpretation of what I was saying but point taken. Not every Democrat wants to burn down the system but I just proved beyond any reasonable doubt, counselor, that a large number of people who support the Democrat party be they BLM or Antifa, like to burn down buildings. To deny that just makes you look foolish when everybody can the evidence.


No burning buildings on Jan.6th.


Or maybe Getz and that Republican major donor that’s running a child sex trafficking scheme, maybe they are representative of all republicans.

Grabbing some extremists on one side or one stupid position and ascribing them as representing the whole party is silliness and childish.


I do not accept your argument that I was doing that. Again, that is your interpretation of what I was saying. I know what I was saying, you do not. And again, if you think that you have never ascribed bad acts by Republicans as representing the entire party, you are kidding yourself. You have and I'll bet a dollar to a doughnut, you will continue to and I'll be on the look out for it when you do it to point it out to you.


So to sum up, all summer long, a large number of supporters of the Democrat party, burned down buildings and made references, as I just proved, to "burning it all down". Find me an article anywhere where any Republican ever uttered the words, "we'll burn it all down if we don't get our way".


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You just proved yourself to be the naive one by trying to deny what we all watched all summer, what we all heard "some" Democrats saying.

[oeb11]

1b1- after all - teh 'Republicans Are the party of Defund-Disarm-Destroy the Police'
the communities that suffer most from Republican Cori Bush and her supporting crew madness - are teh black and People of color underprivileged communities - and are teh Communities with the highest approval and desire for Police Work to protect their communities.



And - 1b1 - you just know that Seattle, Portland Minneapolis, LA, and all teh other DPST inspired and enabled riots and violence - 'are 'republican caused' - Don't U??????



HYPOCRITE!

[HedonistForever]

What 1blackman1 did was make a strawman argument. He couldn't dispute my assertions that "some" Democrats were for burning down cities because I quoted them. No, he had to change the argument to one that I was not making, that ALL Democrats felt and said that. Of course they didn't but then I think back on 1blackman1's comments on Jan 6th and I ask myself, did he just suggest that every single person that voted for Trump, was the same as those that illegally entered the capital? Uh, yes, I think he did, he has.


This got so crazy, that Democrats, sorry, some Democrats started calling for a complete review of our armed forces to find anybody that may have voted for Trump because anybody that voted for Trump was suspect. Hell, "some" Democrats and their supports didn't even limit it to those that voted for Trump, it was ALL Republicans were responsible for Jan. 6th. No, not everybody in either party all believe the same thing and I would never suggest any such thing although my writing may not have been as precise as it could be but I was never making the argument that 1blackman1 says I was, never. I wish I could say he knows better but I don't know that he does.



If you can't argue merit, facts, make up a whole new argument that was never said. That's how 1blackman1 played this one and I'm sure he thinks he was successful. He wasn't.

[oeb11]

it is their communist revolutionary narrative - to dehumanize all Peoples of different opinion - and institute their genocide and communist totalitariansim.

Their minions are blinded to history, truth ,and facts.



When they cannot foist their communist narrrative on One - First they respond with foul name-calling then they place on Ignore .

Typical hypocrites and Liars - all DPSTs

[1blackman1]

I’ll start by saying that the implication of your statements are just what I said they are. If you’re saying that there are some democrats that want to “burn it down” maybe there are. They would be a tiny tiny tiny set of people. But you know that however it’s not at all what you wrote or implied. In fact in your post just above this you said incorrectly as hell “ a large number of supporters of the Democrat party, burned down buildings and made references, as I just proved, to "burning it all down".”. Who and where are this large number. It was a relative few. Tens of millions. Approximately 8 tens of millions did not burn thing and elected someone other than the prior president.

To the extent “a large number of supporters of the democrats burned buildings”, a large number (likely similar in number) of republicans ATTACKED the Capitol. Tried to stop the government from peacefully transitioning in power. That’s not some partisan view, that’s a fact. Tens of thousands of republicans (maybe a small number wouldn’t be considered republicans and are simply Trumpiphites) including legislators made an actual attempt to subvert the political process by stopping the counting and certification of the electoral votes. Hundreds and possibly a thousand of them Through violence (which you have pretty insanely referred to as misguided and implied that it was because they were patriots). As soon as you made that statement, you lost and continue to lose all credibility.

Now you’re down to some democrats. That’s not what you stated prior and not even a whole post prior did you say some. That’s like me saying some republicans believe in Jewish space lasers or believe that wearing a mask is worst than the holocaust or believe no racism at all exists in the US. I’d say those are extreme views and typically I ascribe crazy views to those that state them and not to “Republicans”. That old buddy is not the same as what you do. If you can find where I said otherwise feel free to quote it.

Like I said, you’re better than this. I’m gonna help you get back to being better even if I gotta bring you kicking and screaming.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

I’ll start by saying that the implication of your statements are just what I said they are. If you’re saying that there are some democrats that want to “burn it down” maybe there are. They would be a tiny tiny tiny set of people. But you know that however it’s not at all what you wrote or implied. In fact in your post just above this you said incorrectly as hell “ a large number of supporters of the Democrat party, burned down buildings and made references, as I just proved, to "burning it all down".”. Who and where are this large number.



Let's see. Seattle


https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...anged-seattle/


How a year of protests changed Seattle




At the same time, the protests — sometimes involving tens of thousands of demonstrators But hey, maybe in your book, tens of thousands is a tiny, tiny, tiny number but then again, this is only one of many, many, many cities.


There was Portland

https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-ap-top-news-race-and-ethnicity-id-state-wire-or-state-wire-b57315d97dd2146c4a89b4636faa7b 70


Portland’s grim reality: 100 days of protests, many violent


Once hailed as one of the most livable U.S. cities, Portland, Oregon, is grappling with an uncertain future as it reaches a stunning benchmark: 100 consecutive nights of racial injustice protests marred by vandalism, chaos — and the killing of a supporter of President Donald Trump.
The demonstrations that started in late May after the police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis have divided residents and embarrassed the city’s beleaguered Democratic mayor.
Amid the turbulence, Portland now finds itself as a proxy for the culture wars sweeping the nation.
Well, maybe just a tiny, tiny, tiny part of the nation, huh?


Then there was Atlanta.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/u...rge-floyd.html


Atlanta Protesters Clash With Police as Mayor Warns ‘You Are Disgracing Our City’


Protesters broke windows and set fire to cars after the death of George Floyd in Minneapolis. Protests emerged in many U.S. cities.
Are you getting the picture here 1blackman1? Are these Trump supporters, Republicans creating this assault on democratic institutions?



It was a relative few. Tens of millions. Approximately 8 tens of millions did not burn thing and elected someone other than the prior president.

To the extent “a large number of supporters of the democrats burned buildings”, a large number (likely similar in number) of republicans ATTACKED the Capitol.


About 1,000 are reported to have maybe entered the Capital with about 400 being arrested. Not quite the "tens of thousands I just showed you of left wing protesters.



Tried to stop the government from peacefully transitioning in power.

That’s not some partisan view, that’s a fact.



A fact I acknowledge. Never said it didn't happen. Also said it was illegal and wrong and yes, mis-guided. I use that word because it is exactly what the rioters said. They are quoted, almost to a person, as saying they thought they had the right to do what they did, PROTEST just like the left said they thought they had the right to firebomb a federal law enforcement building with people still inside. They referred to the Capital as "our House". Again, they thought that they were there to right a wrong, the very same excuse the left used for their riots. The very same excuse.



Tens of thousands of republicans (maybe a small number wouldn’t be considered republicans and are simply Trumpiphites) including legislators made an actual attempt to subvert the political process by stopping the counting and certification of the electoral votes.



Let's draw a line here shall we between the tens of thousands outside the Capital that never entered who had every right to peacefully protest and those that entered. It was only in the hundreds that actually broke the law. And lets examine this "attempt to subvert the political process by stopping the counting and certification of the electoral votes". When you said "including legislators", you separated the processes. There were two processes here. The trying to stop the certification was done twice before by Democrats.This is what Legislators on both sides did. You know that right? Twice, Democrats rose on the House floor to object to the certification of some Bush and Trump electors. You know that right? I put up the video for you to watch. There was Joe Biden, VP head of the Senate banging the gavel telling Maxine Waters to shut the fuck up and sit down. Twice before, Democrats tried to stop the certification process exactly as Hawley and Cruz did, EXACTLY! What Democrats did not do was enter the capital in furtherance of stopping that process.And there were no Republican legislators involved in entering the Capital to stop the process, not one and not one after this said they agreed with what the rioters did, not one. Democrats would never admit that they too, tied to stop the certification of electors. It's a perfectly legal thing to do. What the "hundreds" of demonstrators did after that floor battle, is where the illegal part came into play.



Hundreds and possibly a thousand of them Through violence (which you have pretty insanely referred to as misguided and implied that it was because they were patriots). As soon as you made that statement, you lost and continue to lose all credibility.

With you! as if that should bother me somehow that I don't have credibility with someone who can't admit to the truth. You mock the use of the word patriot so let's examine it shall we.

Definition of patriot

: one who loves and supports his or her country… praised him as a … motivated patriot who was fearless in the quest to preserve American security.

What did those people believe, ( rightly or wrongly ) they were doing? They believed that the election had been stolen and they were there to preserve the democratic process they believed had been stolen. The fact that you can't understand this is not my problem but here is your chance, why did they do what they did and what did they expect to happen, the fall of the government or the re-institution of the government? You see a patriot wouldn't want there to be no government, they would want a legitimate government. That is what they wanted unlike those in the summer riots who wanted the existing government to fall and be replaced by one that did not already exist. Not one of those people in the Capital was anti-American who despised the democratic process. They just thought it was stolen, they committed an illegal act and must be punished for it if only trespassing in most cases. The ones that assaulted people should of course get a harsher punishment.


NOTHING OF WHAT I JUST SAID JUSTIFIES WHAT THEY DID> IT IS MERELY AN EXPLANATION.


Now you’re down to some democrats. That’s not what you stated prior and not even a whole post prior did you say some.

You are probably right, I did not say "some" but I meant "some" because as you said, it would be absolutely crazy ( and I'm not crazy ) to suggest that every member of either party says, thinks and acts the same. That would be crazy, so what I said, as inarticulately as it may have been, was meant to be understood as "some" but you saw the chance to change the argument to a strawman argument, one that I was never making.


That’s like me saying some republicans believe in Jewish space lasers or believe that wearing a mask is worst than the holocaust or believe no racism at all exists in the US. I’d say those are extreme views and typically I ascribe crazy views to those that state them and not to “Republicans”. That old buddy is not the same as what you do. If you can find where I said otherwise feel free to quote it.

I'll make you the same offer. Find were I specifically said "all" Democrats because there is an argument to be made, hell, you made it, that nobody is crazy enough to say that all members of one party or the other, think, act and say the same thing. You should have understood that but you chose not to because making a different argument than I was making, gave you a way to ignore the evidence I produced of actual Democrats quoted as saying "burn everything down".


Like I said, you’re better than this. I’m gonna help you get back to being better even if I gotta bring you kicking and screaming.

And I'm going to try and stop you from making strawman arguments when you know you can't win on the merits and the facts. You have about as much chance of bringing me around to seeing things the way you do as those Jewish space lasers you were talking about and WTF was that all about anyway?

You continue to refuse the see the violence in the party you support while you see the violence in the other party. I acknowledge both, you can not. As a civilized man, you know what the left has been doing is un-civilized unless of course you want to make a case for when it is appropriate to burn down buildings, loot and assault people because one is unhappy with circumstances. Is that what you believe, that if you are unhappy, that you have the right to burn, loot and assault innocent people because I'd love to hear that theory.

[1blackman1]

Find one instance where I said looting and burning or violence or rioting are ok. 1 instance. I’ll wait.

[oeb11]

Looting, rioting, and violence - are not looting, rioting, and violence -it is 'Peaceful protest - under the aegis of teh communist DPST party.

has 1b1 ever criticized teh CHOP takeover, rapes, assaults, murders, and destruction of homes and businesses - NEVER!


`b` can "Hold his breath" while he 'waits' - but he might just turn police blue doing so.




HF - You are dealing with an obdurate marxist indoctrinee - You cannot change their minds
Only the destruction of America into insolvency, violence, and anarchy will convince the marxist minions of the error of their indoctrination in marxist Revolutionary manifesto.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Find one instance where I said looting and burning or violence or rioting are ok. 1 instance. I’ll wait.

Produce one instance where you condemned it. I'll wait. Not forcefully condemning those actions you witnessed night after not could be read as "silence is acceptance".


And then produce anything I may have said supporting what happened on Jan. 6th. You took my thesis on motive and tried to turn it into something that I supported by trying to defend the term patriot.


One can believe they are being a patriot while not actually performing a patriot act. You must as a lawyer, recognize this argument. You may have used it yourself to defend a client but I wouldn't expect you to give in to a reasonable debate, nothing it in for you.


The summer riots, those on the left showed no "patriotic motive". To the contrary, their motive was to destroy not protect. Like I said the Jan. 6th rioters were wrong to do what they did but their motive was patriotism, mis -guided though it was. And you said nothing to disavow me of that theory but come on, try. What was their motive if to not "save" the nation they all said they loved? Put their motive into your own words. If you can't make this argument, I wouldn't want you as my lawyer.



What makes my thesis even more understandable IMHO, is this idea that these were all "White Supremacist". They were not. They were not there to keep a Black from becoming President. They were not there looking for Black legislators. Hell, the only people they wanted hang, were White people. There was no other motive, certainly not a White Supremacist motive, other than to keep the government they already had and if you truly believed the election was stolen as they did, some would fight, it's what history told these few people to do, to fight as a patriot.



They made a bad choice because there was no conceivable way for them to win this fight but they were unable to see it, to accept it so they'll pay the price.

[oeb11]

HF - you preach to the unseeing,

the unhearing,

the unaccepting ,

the uncomprehending


the unable to debate in other than scatology and name-calling


And teh willfully , deliberately , unable to see their own Hypocrisy!


maybe if you wrote in RED - the color of their maxist dogma - they might notice.

But NO!

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by oeb11

HF - you preach to the unseeing,

the unhearing,

the unaccepting ,

the uncomprehending


the unable to debate in other than scatology and name-calling


And teh willfully , deliberately , unable to see their own Hypocrisy!


maybe if you wrote in RED - the color of their maxist dogma - they might notice.

But NO!

I hear ya, but I'm a bit obsessed at teaching the blind to see and the deaf to hear especially the one's who think they have perfect eyesight and hearing. I can't help myself.

[1blackman1]

So you want me to do your research for you to prove to you that a statement you appear to claim that I either made or didn’t make was either made or not made. That’s your tactic now. Damn, there’s losing and then there’s losing. Now you’re really bordering on desperate.

Seriously. How about this. If I did condemn that behavior you admit unquestionably that you just make up shit to sound smart. I need a new quote. You game.

Or you could just admit you don’t know whether I’ve condemned that behavior or not and you surely have no proof that I’ve ever said that behavior was ok.

Which one do you wanna go with.