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Old 07-08-2021, 01:16 PM   #1
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https://geopolitics.co/2021/07/07/us...n-afghanistan/

US’ Haphazard Withdrawal from Bagram Air Base Shows No Clear Plan in Afghanistan

July 7, 2021 Geopolitics101

Following two decades of occupation that produced no tangible results in the interests of global peace and security, the US reportedly slipped out of Bagram Airfield after dark without notifying the base’s new Afghan commander.

The US abandoned the Bagram Airfield “after nearly 20 years by shutting off the electricity and slipping away in the night without notifying the base’s new Afghan commander, who discovered the Americans’ departure more than two hours after they left,” the Associated Press news agency reported on Tuesday, citing Afghan military officials.

They left behind 3.5 million items, ranging from bottles of water and phones to civilian vehicles, many of which don’t have keys to start them. This, plus the fact that the lights reportedly abruptly went down and there were no longer any guards on duty, apparently tipped off an army of looters, who then infiltrated the base.

Reportedly, about 5,000 inmates – many of them alleged Taliban operatives – remain in prison on the territory of the Bagram airfield.

After almost two decades of occupation and no clear military objectives, this haphazard withdrawal from what was the staging point for American and NATO operations in Afghanistan shows that the US-led coalition never had any unified plan in the country. The same could be said of many other countries occupied by the Western military.

This will come as no surprise to many. In fact, former Secretary of State Colin Powell’s chief of staff, Colonel Larry Wilkerson, who was very involved in the military’s decision-making at the time of the invasion of Afghanistan, perfectly summed up this lack of a strategic line in a 2018 speech at the Ron Paul Institute’s Washington conference.

He argued that, despite there being strategic thinking in the Pentagon, the US had no clear strategy in Afghanistan. Some examples of this noted by Wilkerson would be maintaining a presence in Afghanistan in order to use it as a staging point for the US military to pounce on Pakistan’s nuclear stockpile should it be overrun by militants, using Afghanistan as a base to militarily disrupt China’s Belt and Road Initiative, or providing a home for American intelligence to exploit racial tension in China’s Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region.

It’s unknown whether any of these policies have been seriously contemplated since Wilkerson’s departure, but like anything else in the tangle of Washington’s bureaucracy, and because there are so many branches of government involved – many of which compete against each other for clout and funding – the answer is probably not so clear-cut.

Take the example of Syria to illustrate this point. In the spring of 2016, reports surfaced that Pentagon-backed Kurdish militias were sparring with CIA-backed rebels, which was a total embarrassment when it came to Washington’s foreign policy in the country.

That situation just went to show how messed up the US national security state is, with different agencies having different goals – for example, one, the CIA, wanted to overthrow Syrian President Bashar Assad, while the other, the Pentagon, wanted to fight Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS). These two goals contradicted each other, because Assad was IS’ primary adversary, and, actually, the CIA’s goal of overthrowing him created the necessity for the second, as it had initially armed the militant opposition to the Assad government from which IS would later branch off.

Similarly, understanding the US-NATO occupation of Afghanistan is probably just as convoluted, if not more so, and there could be multiple explanations for why it lasted so long. One obvious one, which could also be seen as the reason some NATO members protested the US’ withdrawal, is the fact that Afghanistan pretty much functions as a lab for weapons manufactured by these countries.

Of course, war has often been used for such purposes. Just watch Sacha Baron Cohen’s interview on the show ‘Who Is America?’ to see how former Vice President Dick Cheney talked about his “favorite war,” the first Iraq War, when the US got to show off its new experimental weapons just as the Soviet Union’s power waned.

In Afghanistan, weapons manufacturers around the world seem to be exploiting the lack of any clear strategic objectives to continue to push their weapons. For example, the Czech Republic – a European NATO member, but not in any way a global military contender – has, surprisingly, been one of the most enthusiastic supporters of the war in Afghanistan. President Miloš Zeman has consistently been among the leading critics of the US withdrawal and has made his disagreement clear to senior US officials on numerous occasions.

This hardline position from a country with little or no strategic interest at all in Central Asia might seem confusing, but it makes more sense when you consider that the Czech Republic has for some time been and continues to be dependent on heavy manufacturing – mostly of vehicles and industrial equipment – and has a growing defense sector.

In fact, just months ago, the Czech government approved the creation of an Agency for Intergovernmental Defense Cooperation to help its companies sell weapons around the world, modeled on similar agencies in countries such as the United States and Israel. With that in mind, it can’t be ruled out that Prague’s strong commitment to forever war has been given a push by its defense industry.

Of course, it’s not the only part of the equation, and we might never know the whole strategic calculus behind this nearly 20-year-long occupation that has produced no tangible results in the interests of global peace and security. Instead, all we’re left with after decades of death and destruction, is the US and its allies withdrawing in a way that was apparently inspired by an article by The Onion from 10 years ago titled ‘US Quietly Slips Out Of Afghanistan In Dead Of Night’.

Bradley Blankenship is a Prague-based American journalist, columnist and political commentator. He has a syndicated column at CGTN and is a freelance reporter for international news agencies including Xinhua News Agency. Follow him on Twitter @BradBlank_
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they left the base without telling the new base commander that they were leaving?

bad optics. its no wonder that was so fucked by the way it was run.

the pullout is a bad idea. it gives fuel tot them that U.S. is cutting and running.

pullout when there is cessation of hostilities by the taliban.
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Old 07-08-2021, 03:31 PM   #3
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Joey Bribes needs a war to break out somewhere. He’s handing the Taliban a Golden platter for one.
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Old 07-08-2021, 04:57 PM   #4
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The Afghsn kicked out the Brits, and teh russians.

Their national sport - buskashi - is a free for all without rules - and the only thing the Afghans like better than killinig each other - is killing outsiders.

we were in a VietNam type war in Afghanistan - across long supply lines in a foreign country where One cannot tell friend from foe - to impose 'democracy' on an Islamic nation.

a recipe for failure - just as was the American Revolution for teh Brits.


There are LSM rumblings about China's interest in Afghanistan - and great fear and trembling of the LSM ( the ones that are not promoting china to take over america) .
Let China go ahead - full bore into a nation that is hardly anything but an islamic cesspool, and just South of Russia. Let the Chinese learn their own lessons - and give the russians heartburn while they try to subjugate Afghanistan - let them try.

China will burn up men, materiel, and resources otherwise dedicated to taking taiwan and other targets, and further destabilizing America..

Let China and Xi go after the Afghanis - they deserve it - they have not yet learned the lesson of intervening in other nation's civil wars - so let them learn.

They will also fail - and the CCP will learn that in Afghanistan, islam trumps Communism - every time.




It would be the best thing that could happen to America and teh world.

let China learn their lesson
and america can revert to arming the 'mujahedin" - against China.
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militant fascist DPST's who believe we own Afghanistan - go ahead with your nonsense replies.
Look at history - Democrats are teh warmongers - fromWW1 all teh way through Afghanistan!
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speaking of china. they have not won a war or had significant influence or area control in south-east asia for over 500 years. they used to be tight with Korea. that was then, its half tight now.

they have their little war going on in tibet and in xinjiang (new territories). so adding a 3rd one would be no sweat for china. its a good way to reduce china's population.
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fuck Afghanistan
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speaking of china. they have not won a war or had significant influence or area control in south-east asia for over 500 years. they used to be tight with Korea. that was then, its half tight now.

they have their little war going on in tibet and in xinjiang (new territories). so adding a 3rd one would be no sweat for china. its a good way to reduce china's population.
I hope you are right.

BUT I think you are wrong. Read about China's fly over Tiwan

https://www.dw.com/en/us-concerned-a...ace/a-56327535
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I hope you are right.

BUT I think you are wrong. Read about China's fly over Tiwan

https://www.dw.com/en/us-concerned-a...ace/a-56327535

quality of their equipment is a question mark. except for the army, they have the numbers but not the experience..
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This is like the only good thing Biden has done since the election was staged and he was illegally sworn in as president.

I'm not gonna bitch about it.

Fuck Afghanistan.

This seems hypocritical to me. We were all for ending the gay ass war while H I M was in office, but now when Biden is in office, we're going to bitch about it?

Just end the stupid fucking war.

If it enables a civil war who tf gives a shit? Mexico is having a civil war. Should we go invade Mexico then? Fucking stupid. Just leave Afghanistan tf alone.
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