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[eccielover]

Originally Posted by bambino

What promise HASNT Trump kept? Let’s start there. Because he’s accomplishing many of his promises. They have been listed many times in this forum.

I'll push the question a bit further. What promise hasn't he attempted to keep? Of course he can't meet all promises in the world that is Washington DC and then especially with the constant demonization he receives from the media and others.

[eccielover]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

"Currently, 60% of Americans say the government should be responsible for ensuring health care coverage for all Americans, compared with 38% who say this should not be the government’s responsibility. The share saying it is the government’s responsibility has increased from 51% last year and now stands at its highest point in nearly a decade."

And that is another perfect example of how to skew public opinion with "polls".

Add in the question of whether the government should "take over" healthcare for all Americans and replace your current plan, and the percentage craters out.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by eccielover

I'll push the question a bit further. What promise hasn't he attempted to keep? Of course he can't meet all promises in the world that is Washington DC and then especially with the constant demonization he receives from the media and others.

Not to mention the Republicans. The ACA would have been long gone if it wasn’t for those feckless fuckers. They didn’t keep their promise to end it. But Trump didn’t give up. He ended the individual mandate and it’s on its last leg. He’s accomplished more in his first 3yrs than any POTUS that I can remember.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by bambino

What promise HASNT Trump kept? Let’s start there. Because he’s accomplishing many of his promises. They have been listed many times in this forum.

Short on time but here are some starters:

Build a wall and make Mexico pay for it.
Pass tax reform that was more beneficial to the middle class than the upper class.
Reduce the deficit.
Repeal Obamacare and replace it with something much better.
No action on improving our infrastructure.


https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...s/trumpometer/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37982000

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...broken-1444569

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by bambino

Not to mention the Republicans. The ACA would have been long gone if it wasn’t for those feckless fuckers. They didn’t keep their promise to end it. But Trump didn’t give up. He ended the individual mandate and it’s on its last leg. He’s accomplished more in his first 3yrs than any POTUS that I can remember.

So you condemn those in Congress who vote for what they believe is correct rather than simply support the views of the POTUS, whether that person be Republican or Democrat?

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by eccielover

And that is another perfect example of how to skew public opinion with "polls".

Add in the question of whether the government should "take over" healthcare for all Americans and replace your current plan, and the percentage craters out.

That is a totally different question. I support a certain level of government involvement in ensuring basic healthcare coverage to all in this country. I do not support government takeover of all healthcare for all Americans.

[bambino]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

Short on time but here are some starters:

Build a wall and make Mexico pay for it.
Pass tax reform that was more beneficial to the middle class than the upper class.
Reduce the deficit.
Repeal Obamacare and replace it with something much better.
No action on improving our infrastructure.


https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...s/trumpometer/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37982000

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trum...broken-1444569

400 miles of the wall will be completed by next year.Mexico is now spending money to stop caravans at their border.

He did pass the largest tax cut in history. That’s why GDP doubled and unemployment is at historic lows.

The ACA is on its last leg.

Now Speedy, Trump isn’t a dictator. Which many of your ilk claim he is. Improving our infrastructure would require the Dems to bring him a bill. Accusing him of crimes 5 minutes before you meet with him isn’t conducive for a productive meeting. But it’s less than 3yrs Speedy.
He’s still working on things.

[eccielover]

Originally Posted by bambino

400 miles of the wall will be completed by next year.Mexico is now spending money to stop caravans at their border.

He did pass the largest tax cut in history. That’s why GDP doubled and unemployment is at historic lows.

The ACA is on its last leg.

Which is why he didn't reply to my part of the question. Which promises has he not tried to keep, but potentially got stonewalled in Washington bullshit. His agenda of trying but possibly failing in his promises offers me personally a much better world than any of the DEMS empty promises of socialist panacea that will bring nothing but worse hardship on the average American.

[eccielover]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

That is a totally different question. I support a certain level of government involvement in ensuring basic healthcare coverage to all in this country. I do not support government takeover of all healthcare for all Americans.

And yes it is a different question, but central to the point of what the government wants to do. Is is "Medicare" for all? Or is it basic emergency healthcare which is already offered and required by law.

You waffle with your statement of "a certain level of government involvement". What is that "certain level of government involvement"?

[Cat Shades]

What kind of idiot takes CNN and its polls seriously? Only a gullible idiot. Remember how they told us Hillary would win in a landslide? Man, Trump haters sure are idiots.

[eccielover]

Originally Posted by Cat Shades

What kind of idiot takes CNN and its polls seriously? Only a gullible idiot. Remember how they told us Hillary would win in a landslide? Man, Trump haters sure are idiots.

This is the never ending discussion. Is it the POLLS or the PUNDITS. The polls themselves remain "largely" accurate. It's how you interpret them and the pundits reign in with predictions from the polls.

The 24 by 7 interpretation(or should I say often mis-interpretation) is the actual problem. Trump was within the margin of error on most of the polls in 2016, but the pundits choose to extrapolate that to like the NY Times prediction of a 98% win by Hillary. The polls didnt support that only the pundits.

2018 was largely the same. It was expected that the House would switch to Dems with not a historic number of seat changes, and the Senate would remain largely equal of a small pickup for Reps. All of that played out to the polls as the election neared.

2020 remains nothing but speculation at this point, and from all accounts looks to come down to the wire in the end.

[Levianon17]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

You are correct in that polls are taken at a specific time and may change the next day. They are, as you say, a rough guide.

Most polls will tell you how many people were part of the poll, and who they were (registered voters. likely voters, etc.). There are polling companies that have been doing this a long time and they are, for the most part, very accurate. Polls in 2016 were very accurate at the national level, somewhat inaccurate at the state level. In 2018 they were nearly perfect.

Polls predicting the 2020 election should be taken with a huge grain of salt. As I've said, when polls taken by 2 companies and by the Trump team show Trump losing to not only Biden but several other Democratic contenders, I'm sure the Trump reelection team is standing up and taking notice. It's hardly coincidence that Trump started his reelection campaign in Florida on June 17th and very recently visited Wisconsin, 2 key battleground states. I'm sure he will be in Michigan (which he visited in late March) and Pennsylvania (which he visited on May 20th) again very soon. Trump knows the states he needs for reelection.

Polls are nothing but Political Horoscopes. Any accuracy for the most part is luck.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by bambino

400 miles of the wall will be completed by next year.Mexico is now spending money to stop caravans at their border.

He did pass the largest tax cut in history. That’s why GDP doubled and unemployment is at historic lows.

The ACA is on its last leg.

Now Speedy, Trump isn’t a dictator. Which many of your ilk claim he is. Improving our infrastructure would require the Dems to bring him a bill. Accusing him of crimes 5 minutes before you meet with him isn’t conducive for a productive meeting. But it’s less than 3yrs Speedy.
He’s still working on things.

We can argue how much of the wall construction will be "new" and how much will be "replacement" which has been on-going for years, well before Trump took office.

"Trump hasn't built very much of his wall

Mr Trump has argued a wall is needed to tackle the border issue - the signature promise of his 2016 election campaign.
Before he took office, there were 654 miles (just over 1,000km) of barrier along the southern border - made up of 354 miles of barriers to stop pedestrians and 300 miles of anti-vehicle fencing.

In the run-up to his election victory, Mr Trump promised to build a wall along the border's entire 2,000-mile length.

He later clarified that it would only cover half of that - with nature, such as mountains and rivers, helping to take care of the rest.

But, since Mr Trump entered the White House, although some of the already existing barriers have been replaced, work on extending the current barrier has only just begun.

Overall, $6.1bn in funding had been secured by May 2019 to build 336 miles of new and replacement border wall, according to US Customs and Border Protection.

This includes funding approved by Congress as well as extra cash Mr Trump has been able to access since he declared a state of emergency in February.

The 336 miles of planned barrier includes: 86 miles of "new primary wall", 24 miles of "new levee wall" and 226 miles of replacement barriers.

About 40 miles of replacement barriers have so far been completed, with construction of a further 55 miles now under way.

Department of Defense funding is also paying for an additional 131 miles.

The first construction on any extension to existing structures - what could be termed new barrier - has started in the Rio Grande Valley, Texas, where 13 miles of "new border wall system and levee wall system" is being built.

Although a further 95 miles is planned for that location, construction at five major landmarks along its length has been prohibited and some landowners have gone to court in an attempt to stop building on their property.

Despite Mr Trump's continued determination to see a wall along the border, a survey in January by the Pew Research Center suggests the majority of Americans - 58% - oppose substantially expanding it, while 40% support it.

So Trump promised Mexico would pay for the wall. Untrue.
Trump promised 2000 miles of new wall. Won't happen.
Trump promised, and wasted millions of dollars on prototypes, a much different barrier than is now being built.
And Trump has circumvented Congress funding in order to obtain money for the wall.

Trump did NOT pass the largest tax cut in history. Flat out lie taken directly from Trump's statements.

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/po...212371194.html

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-43790895

https://www.crfb.org/blogs/president...argest-history

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1D223O

But let's forget about that lie. The point I was making is that Trump said the following:

“Our framework ensures that the benefits of tax reform go to the middle class, not to the highest earners.”
– President Donald Trump, Oct. 11, 2017

The following article details how much more the tax reform plan benefited those at the upper end of the income scale.

Distribution of Trump Tax Cuts Favors Wealthiest

On average, in 2018, taxes declined for everyone, but top groups got the biggest benefit

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2...-consequences/

As for the ACA -- I have said several times that the ACA is far from perfect. Repealing it without a replacement would be a disaster for many people in this country. Republicans have offered nothing.

Trump has been in office 30 months. We will continue to disagree with each other as to how effective he has been while in office. Eventually the voters will decide.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by eccielover

And yes it is a different question, but central to the point of what the government wants to do. Is is "Medicare" for all? Or is it basic emergency healthcare which is already offered and required by law.

You waffle with your statement of "a certain level of government involvement". What is that "certain level of government involvement"?

For one, Medicare. For another, ensuring that EVERYONE is able to receive basic medical care when needed. Like you say, this is already offered and required by law. Only Sanders and Warren, of the 20+ Democratic contenders, support Medicare for All. I support Medicaid to help those who are unable to afford adequate health care.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by eccielover

This is the never ending discussion. Is it the POLLS or the PUNDITS. The polls themselves remain "largely" accurate. It's how you interpret them and the pundits reign in with predictions from the polls.

The 24 by 7 interpretation(or should I say often mis-interpretation) is the actual problem. Trump was within the margin of error on most of the polls in 2016, but the pundits choose to extrapolate that to like the NY Times prediction of a 98% win by Hillary. The polls didnt support that only the pundits.

2018 was largely the same. It was expected that the House would switch to Dems with not a historic number of seat changes, and the Senate would remain largely equal of a small pickup for Reps. All of that played out to the polls as the election neared.

2020 remains nothing but speculation at this point, and from all accounts looks to come down to the wire in the end.

Well said.