Prostitution v SD/SB Why is one legal?

[TravelingGentleman]

Originally Posted by Fancylady

Are you old man with young girlfriend(sugar baby)?You paid for dinner and Saturday night.You jump on bandwagon with others trashing me. ...All ages of hookers in the business.No hookers or sugar babies see no one for Free.

Not even wives. No one is disagreeing with you. We're discussing the terms of payment.

[Fancylady]

Originally Posted by TravelingGentleman

Not even wives. No one is disagreeing with you. We're discussing the terms of payment.

Guys pay for wives with house,car food.whatever else.marriage legal prostitution with ring and marriage paper.Pay for girlfriend taking out to eat and doing thigs with her.Pay for sugar baby.

[ShysterJon]

sketchball82: I have two problems with your argument. First, you quote only the provision under Michigan law which states the penalty for prostitution. You don't quote the Michigan law which defines "prostitution." Second, you argue that legislatures intentionally write criminal laws to be overly broad. That could be true at times, but an overbroad criminal law will be subject to a constitutional challenge. Criminal laws are not permitted to be overbroad or vague to cover conduct not intended to be criminalized.

[sketchball82]

Originally Posted by ShysterJon

sketchball82: I have two problems with your argument. First, you quote only the provision under Michigan law which states the penalty for prostitution. You don't quote the Michigan law which defines "prostitution." Second, you argue that legislatures intentionally write criminal laws to be overly broad. That could be true at times, but an overbroad criminal law will be subject to a constitutional challenge. Criminal laws are not permitted to be overbroad or vague to cover conduct not intended to be criminalized.

1) Very true. I cannot find it with text or codified searches. Further, there are no cross-references to an appropriate statute. After 10 minutes of looking, given this thread is rhetoric for me, I gave up looking. I was forced to assume that the legislature failed to define it.

2) Indeed arguing against the presumption of constitutionality may be possible and persuasive, but that's an expensive uphill battle if I've ever seen one. I would never suggest to do this lightly. Nevertheless, good point.

[ShysterJon]

"Michigan law does not define prostitution, so the traditional dictionary definition applies: the act of engaging in sexual activity for pay." See:

http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com...s-michigan.htm

I seem to recall reading about the law in Michigan or another state (Oklahoma, maybe?) where, after it'd been on the books forever. someone challenged the law because it didn't define "prostitution."

[SweetlyBlended80]

IMO, I feel it would have to be more to it to argue the difference. When you look at these SB/SD sites, they have restrictions on pictures and wording that it would be hard to say your promoting prostitution. Then look at these escort sites, they are more detailed about hourly rate and nearly naked or nude pics.

As far as business wise, a SD has more of a connection then just the sex. It's like we are dating on the down low.

[Gotyour6]

Originally Posted by Fancylady

Are you old man with young girlfriend(sugar baby)?You paid for dinner and Saturday night.You jump on bandwagon with others trashing me. ...All ages of hookers in the business.No hookers or sugar babies see no one for Free.

Uh, I would buy a girl dinner that I was fucking.
I wouldn't buy a whore dinner that I was fucking.

I wouldn't fuck a whore my age (Older actually)

[sharkmanct]

Originally Posted by Whispers

But LE works with a budget and if targeting prostitution wil most likely spend their time on the transactions that occur between true hookers and johns. After all.... The average hooker will have dozens of clients a month and that can yield additional busts..... A SB will typically only have one or two guys.....

Now if they want some media attention the whole SB/SD lifestyle has been racking national exposure... It would be very easy for LE to sting guys on some of the Sb websites... There is a laxness among many of the "john types"....

I think the grey area defines the differences as well as the lack of LE interest......

While there may be a lack of LE interest, I wonder if there are some "SB" profiles out there looking to "out" or shame SD's.

I have been in communication with an SB, was able to find her real world identity through some of the things she told me.

It turns out she is quite active in a project with a stated mission: "We are a coalition of state, civil society, and citizen organizers committed to the prevention of human trafficking in the local area through education, advocacy, and research."

Just wondering why a member of an organization like that would be looking for SD's.

[LimitlessJD]

FYI- many, if not most, anti-human trafficking organizations make a clear differentiation between the acts of consenting adults and coerced sex acts. Many advocate for the decriminalization of prostitution to push it out of the shadows and alleviate the market for sex trafficking.

[garhkal]

Originally Posted by Gotyour6

A sugar baby is not I give you so much money for so much time in the bed.

Most think that they are both the same but in a true SD/SB relationship it is no the same.

If a hooker called me at 10:00 at night and said she had a flat I wouldn't get out of bed and help fix it.

I could go into detail but why bother, if you don't get it, you never will..

Technically yes, a SD/SB relationship is more than "lets screw, here's 80$.. BUT the end result i the same. I give over XYZ money to her, she gives me ABC amount of sex...
Just like in a marriage/BF-GF relationship. If i am not showering her with "gifts" and dinner dates, good luck getting laid..

Originally Posted by Iron Butterfly

Having a girlfriend or wife is not ilegal, SB is the same as a girlfriend...just better

IB

True. its the same as the GF-BF relationship, just without all the emotional hastles..

Originally Posted by kiki2012

Also what about porn? They are paid to have sex on camera! Lol

Yes they are, and yes they do.. BUT the porn industry is highly regulated, AND TAXED! That's why they are allowed to do so.

Originally Posted by shaginla

So if I bring a camera, that makes it legal for us, right?

I knew one john in London, who used that tactic TIME and time again to actually GET OUT OF prostitution charges.. He'd just film it, and if the cops busted him while in bed with her, he'd just show the camera and say "WE are making amateur porn films"..

Originally Posted by clitlicker7

The same reason marriage is legal and hookers aren't. And I was married for over 10 years and it was with out a doubt more expensive. And this was after the diamond ring down payment I placed on the pussy mortgage.

So damn true!!
And what's worse to me is that the guy pays out before hand in the BF-GF stage, then pays a large downpayment for the engagement ring (WHICH she gets to keep if the engagement breaks off), and then again for the marriage ring.. And unlike a house mortgage, if she leaves the guy does NOT get to keep her..

Originally Posted by Fancylady

Ok.Thanks.Sugar babies should be illegal like prostitution.Sugar babies are not doing it for free.Clients show up without money see what happen with sugar babies.

I agree. Hell there's been a # of shows where they DID legally go after sugar babies/dads for prostitution.
BUT to me if marriage/GF's get 'paid' for sex, and its 'all ok. ANd so do sugar babes, then prostitutes SHOULD ALSO be legal..

Originally Posted by Fancylady

Paid relationship are prostitution.You and I keep going back and forth on this subject.LMAO

But by the same logic, you stop paying the GF/wife, she often can go away (divorce!!).. The # of times i've seen guys who got divorced cause THEY LOST WORK and thus lost their income, is more than the # of guys who got divorced cause of infidelity..

Originally Posted by KristylJayne

Very few understand the differences. Like for starters were not expected to have sex. Sometimes we do sometimes we don't. There is no expectation or requirement to do in exchange for for our relationship.

Do yu honestly believe that if there's no sex involved guys would still get into the SB/SD relationship?

Originally Posted by Whispers

But LE works with a budget and if targeting prostitution wil most likely spend their time on the transactions that occur between true hookers and johns. After all.... The average hooker will have dozens of clients a month and that can yield additional busts..... A SB will typically only have one or two guys.....

And that's on the cops.. A law is STILL a law making something illegal, even if the police don't enforce it often enough.

Originally Posted by Vivienne Rey

Because it isn't illegal to ask for money. It is illegal to sell sex.

And that imo, is a stupid double standard. WHY IS IT wrong to say "here's fifty bucks give me a blow job. BUT NOT illegal to say, HONEY i need a new set of 500 dollar shoes and a dress that matches. YOU WILL buy it for me or else no nookie for a week!"..

[Jayhalprin]

If it were only a week without nookie, it would be more efficient to go pay for some and save the difference, lol!

[garhkal]

Hell, i usually just use the hand, and go to get a hooker once a month or every 6 weeks or so..

[mike2data]

A) Escort is on the clock, the SB is not.
B) For an escort you need an acronym dictionary (DFK, LFK, etc..) a real SB does even know about this.
C) decent escort can provide "OK" experience on first meet, SB probably will not. In fact a careful SD does not even ask for sex on first meet.
D) A quality escort is like a fine time-share condo, an SB is a like your weekend cabin. (You are more involved with the well-being of your cabin.)
E) Developing a fine SB story requires a lot of time.

I hope this helps.

[momo]

my ex wife was a whore too.. she wanted all kinds of gifts and she would give me sex.. that is basically what whores do only whores are cheaper than my ex wife