Stealthing

[pyramider]

Its mutually time you posted some taint photos.

[Fancyinheels]

Originally Posted by pyramider

Its mutually time you posted some taint photos.

You are an eternal optimist, sir.

[TryWeakly]

I wonder when the resident "stealther" is gonna chime in and defend the topic?

[Victoria of Houston]

New? Men have been trying to pull this bs for as long as condoms have existed.

[Magic8Ball]

I'm really curious what fancyinheels uses that sword in her lair for normally. Ren-fairs?

Accidents can happen, condoms can break (everything manufactured can have defects), but there's a difference between that and stealthing. Rape is about what is consensual between you and the other person. Even if you're in the middle of sex and your partner changes their mind, forcing yourself on her to continue is at that point, rape. If BBFS is not agreed upon upfront, and you as a jerkoff try to do that without her knowledge, you are literally raping her. That aside, there's way too many dangers there for most sane people to consider BBFS in hobbying.

[iquit]

It is not consensual and is not a good thing. Calling it Rape needs discussion....ummmmm, I don't know if that's accurate. I mean, I see where we r all coming from that it's not consensual and so it is rape, but rape has more elements - force or coercion, intimidation plus fear and other things that make it hard for this so called stealthing to be the same thing. If you went go see a doctor after the encounter, they would not say you were raped. Not defending the act but just thinking it really isn't an easy thing to put under the same category as Rape.

[Victoria of Houston]

Originally Posted by iquit

It is not consensual and is not a good thing. Calling it Rape needs discussion....ummmmm, I don't know if that's accurate. I mean, I see where we r all coming from that it's not consensual and so it is rape, but rape has more elements - force or coercion, intimidation plus fear and other things that make it hard for this so called stealthing to be the same thing. If you went go see a doctor after the encounter, they would not say you were raped. Not defending the act but just thinking it really isn't an easy thing to put under the same category as Rape.

Here is the dictionary definition of rape:

"unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim."

The key element here, seems to be "without consent". So, by this definition, forcing, tricking or otherwise deceiving someone to have unprotected sex with you, is in fact, rape.


Let's pose another hypothetical scenario as an example. Let's say you were with a woman, and she was going down on you. All consensual and you wanted it. But suddenly, without your realizing it, she's forcing a dildo into your ass. How would you feel about that? It wouldn't be consensual and you wouldn't have likely wanted it.


It is not ok to do something to someone during sex unless you know they want it. Anything else is rape.

[Victoria of Houston]

Originally Posted by pyramider

I have always wondered why the lady that has been "stealthed" does not bust open a can of whoop ass who did it. Most providers have self defense items strategically placed throughout the incall ... maybe they do not want to clean up the mess ...

Lots of reasons a woman (provider or otherwise) might not fight back in the moment.

First of all, you would already be shaken up by the situation and might not be thinking straight and just simply want to get the guy away from you.

Secondly, he is a man, you are a woman. Let's say I do fight back. What's to stop him from hurting me back, or even killing me? He's already proven he's a worthless piece of rapist shit by trying that, so who knows what else he's capable of.

Next, a lot of men just don't seem to understand this. Men can be incredibly intimidating at the best of times. It makes us feel weak and vulnerable and scared. Even something smaller as unwanted sexual attention (like cat calls, etc). Being in such a vulnerable position can make a woman want to shrink or hide away, or just simply get as far away from that man in general. Fighting back might be the last thing on her mind. It's like the fight or flight mentality.

[iquit]

Originally Posted by Victoria of Houston

Here is the dictionary definition of rape:

"unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim."

The key element here, seems to be "without consent". So, by this definition, forcing, tricking or otherwise deceiving someone to have unprotected sex with you, is in fact, rape.


Let's pose another hypothetical scenario as an example. Let's say you were with a woman, and she was going down on you. All consensual and you wanted it. But suddenly, without your realizing it, she's forcing a dildo into your ass. How would you feel about that? It wouldn't be consensual and you wouldn't have likely wanted it.


It is not ok to do something to someone during sex unless you know they want it. Anything else is rape.

Thats true, however, my narrow vision thinks stealthing is a violation of trust rather than sex offenders behavior. Both are wrong but...

[Fancyinheels]

Originally Posted by Magic8Ball

I'm really curious what fancyinheels uses that sword in her lair for normally. Ren-fairs?

I'm a Celtic lassie one generation removed from the Emerald Isle, proud of her heritage, so I collect things reminiscent of my history and cultural mythology. My place was decorated in true castle style! Yes, I am known for loitering in garb, usually with a dragon on my shoulder and a plague rat tucked in my cleavage, at various Renaissance fairs.

Getting back to the gravity of the topic, doesn't matter what we label this practice or even the motivation behind it. Without consent, it's a deadly serious offense not to be tolerated.

[Victoria of Houston]

Originally Posted by iquit

Thats true, however....

Consent is black and white, there are no gray areas (howevers, whytofors, or buts.)

[Fancyinheels]

Perfect point scored, Ms. Victoria!

[Victoria of Houston]

Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

Perfect point scored, Ms. Victoria!

Lols, thanks.

[Shadowsinthedark]

Originally Posted by Fancyinheels

Accidents happen, but last time someone tried that stunt on purpose, I escorted him out of my lair by sword point. (Kinda spooky, a robust and riled 6-ft nekkid red-faced redhead with a blade in her hand aimed at your neither region.) If I had to, I would deal with the mess and the consequences, but so far no one has ever taken hostile behavior to extreme aggression.

If I haven't given my permission (and that would be NEVER, in this case), anything out of the norm and not specified on my Showcase is an assault and a violation, so you lose your Fancy rights, and your donation. I'm a pretty accommodating and mellow lady, but I won't be bamboozled or forced to do a damned thing I don't want to, and I will go down fighting. (I'd much rather go down of my own free will for pleasingly amorous activities. )

Stupid thing to do on either side of the Hobby, risking health and reputation for pleasure or money, but hey, whatever floats your boat as long as it's by MUTUAL agreement.

Any woman that can break out 4 feet of cold sharp steel is my kinda people. Unless you happen to be a six foot redhead and then I expect landsknechte. Huzzah worthy? I think so...

[TryWeakly]

Originally Posted by chicagoboy

But is it Rape-Rape?

Yes.