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Old 07-09-2015, 11:34 PM   #1
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Democrats are right, there are two Americas. The America that works, and the America that doesn’t. The America that contributes, and the America that doesn’t. It’s not the haves and the have nots, it’s the do's and the do nothing's. Some people do their duty as Americans, obey the law, support themselves, contribute to society, and others don't. That’s the divide in America .
It’s not about income inequality, it’s about civic irresponsibility. It’s about a political party that preaches hatred, greed and victimization in order to win elective office. It’s about a political party that loves power more than it loves its country. That’s not invective, that’s truth, and it’s about time someone said it.
The politics of envy was on proud display when President Obama pledged the rest of his term to fighting “income inequality.” He noted that some people make more than other people, that some people have higher incomes than others, and he says that’s not just. That is the rationale of thievery. The other guy has it, you want it, Obama will take it for you. Vote Democrat. That is the philosophy that produced Detroit .
It is the electoral philosophy that is destroying America. It conceals a fundamental deviation from American values and common sense because it ends up not benefiting the people who support it, it is a betrayal.
The Democrats have not empowered their followers, they have enslaved them in a culture of dependence and entitlement, of victim-hood and anger instead of ability and hope. The president’s premise – that you reduce income inequality by debasing the successful–seeks to deny the successful the consequences of their choices, and spare the unsuccessful the consequences of their choices. Because, by and large, income variations in society is a result of different choices leading to different consequences. Those who choose wisely, and responsibly have a far greater likelihood of success, while those who choose foolishly, and irresponsibly have a far greater likelihood of failure. Success and failure usually manifest themselves in personal and family income. You choose to drop out of high school or to skip college – and you are apt to have a different outcome than someone who gets a diploma and pushes on with purposeful education. You have your children out of wedlock, and life is apt to take one course; you have them within a marriage, and life is apt to take another course. Most often in life our destination is determined by the course we take.
My doctor, for example, makes more than I do. There is significant income inequality between us. Our lives have had an inequality of outcome, but, our lives also have had an in equality of effort. While my doctor went to college and then devoted his young adulthood to medical school and residency, I got a job in a chemical plant. He made a choice, I made a choice, and our choices led us to different outcomes. His outcome pays a lot better than mine. Does that mean he cheated and the government needs to take away his wealth? No, it means we are both free men, in a free society where free choices lead to different outcomes.
It is not inequality democrats intends to take away, it is freedom. The freedom to succeed, and the freedom to fail. There is no true option for success, if there is no true option for failure. The pursuit of happiness means a whole lot less when you face the punitive hand of government, if your pursuit brings you more happiness than the other guy. Even if the other guy sat on his ass and did nothing. Even if the other guy made a lifetime’s worth of asinine and short sighted decisions.
The Democrats preach equality of outcome as a right, while completely ignoring inequality of effort.
The simple Law of the Harvest – as ye sow, so shall ye reap – is sometimes applied as, “The harder you work, the more you get."
Democrats would turn that upside down. Those who achieve are to be punished as enemies of society, and those who fail are to be rewarded as wards of society. Entitlement will replace effort as the key to upward mobility in American society if democrats gets their way. They seek a lowest common denominator society in which the government besieges the successful and productive to foster equality through mediocrity. He and his party speak of two Americas, and their grip on power is based on using the votes of one to sap the productivity of the other. America is not divided by the differences in our incomes, it is divided by the differences in our efforts.
It is a false philosophy to say one man’s success comes about unavoidably as the result of another man’s victimization.
What Obama offered was not a solution, but a separatism. He fomented division and strife, pitted one set of Americans against another for his own political benefit. That’s what socialists offer. Marxist class warfare wrapped up with a bow. Two Americas, coming closer each day to proving the truth to Lincoln ’s maxim that a house divided against itself cannot stand.
"Life is ten percent what happens to you and ninety percent how you respond to it." quote from Lou Holtz.
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Old 07-10-2015, 01:34 AM   #2
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Great post! The Republicans are just as guilty, but great post.
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Old 07-10-2015, 05:46 AM   #3
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Great Post.
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Old 07-10-2015, 05:56 AM   #4
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Well you know there are no winners or losers, everyone gets a trophy. Great post.
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Old 07-10-2015, 07:16 AM   #5
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No diff between the two parties in what was posted,if you support one or the other you are sipping the Koolaid.
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Old 07-10-2015, 07:33 AM   #6
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No diff between the two parties in what was posted,if you support one or the other you are sipping the Koolaid.

Apparently you missed the memo. You can't say Koolaid because it offends yssup. One of his clan was in Jonestown. Koolaid is the only way to fix stupid.
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Old 07-10-2015, 07:41 AM   #7
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Interesting post…. One must think past the candidate / person in office as to what is their agenda while in office. Or who or what is driving their course. We all want a “Better” US of A, but what is better depends on how we have been brought up. Example, if you were brought up in the projects / ghetto – call it what you want you have seen how people live thus developed your behavior / life style.
If you were brought up with a parent being a Dr., airline pilot, oil field worker or a oil field exec your outlook on life will be much different than the “other side.”
Bottom line is the world will always need a working class – hell who is going to build the highway, work in plants, serve us in restaurants ( & I am NOT talking about making working at McD as a cook a life long job, move your lazy ass up – FYI if you look at most of the McD execs they started at Min wage).

Get a job & progress! We are NOT winning the War Against poverty- at times the Govt IS promoting it!
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Old 07-10-2015, 10:31 AM   #8
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Apparently you missed the memo. You can't say Koolaid because it offends yssup. One of his clan was in Jonestown. Koolaid is the only way to fix stupid.
Is tea ok?
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Old 07-10-2015, 10:59 AM   #9
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Great post! The Republicans are just as guilty, but great post.
I disagree with you. The Republicans are guilty of many things but they certainly agree on less taxes and less government spending on the poor.
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Old 07-10-2015, 06:54 PM   #10
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Democrats are right, there are two Americas. The America that works, and the America that doesn’t. The America that contributes, and the America that doesn’t. It’s not the haves and the have nots, it’s the do's and the do nothing's. Some people do their duty as Americans, obey the law, support themselves, contribute to society, and others don't. That’s the divide in America .
It’s not about income inequality, it’s about civic irresponsibility. It’s about a political party that preaches hatred, greed and victimization in order to win elective office. It’s about a political party that loves power more than it loves its country. That’s not invective, that’s truth, and it’s about time someone said it.
The politics of envy was on proud display when President Obama pledged the rest of his term to fighting “income inequality.” He noted that some people make more than other people, that some people have higher incomes than others, and he says that’s not just. That is the rationale of thievery. The other guy has it, you want it, Obama will take it for you. Vote Democrat. That is the philosophy that produced Detroit .
It is the electoral philosophy that is destroying America. It conceals a fundamental deviation from American values and common sense because it ends up not benefiting the people who support it, it is a betrayal.
The Democrats have not empowered their followers, they have enslaved them in a culture of dependence and entitlement, of victim-hood and anger instead of ability and hope. The president’s premise – that you reduce income inequality by debasing the successful–seeks to deny the successful the consequences of their choices, and spare the unsuccessful the consequences of their choices. Because, by and large, income variations in society is a result of different choices leading to different consequences. Those who choose wisely, and responsibly have a far greater likelihood of success, while those who choose foolishly, and irresponsibly have a far greater likelihood of failure. Success and failure usually manifest themselves in personal and family income. You choose to drop out of high school or to skip college – and you are apt to have a different outcome than someone who gets a diploma and pushes on with purposeful education. You have your children out of wedlock, and life is apt to take one course; you have them within a marriage, and life is apt to take another course. Most often in life our destination is determined by the course we take.
My doctor, for example, makes more than I do. There is significant income inequality between us. Our lives have had an inequality of outcome, but, our lives also have had an in equality of effort. While my doctor went to college and then devoted his young adulthood to medical school and residency, I got a job in a chemical plant. He made a choice, I made a choice, and our choices led us to different outcomes. His outcome pays a lot better than mine. Does that mean he cheated and the government needs to take away his wealth? No, it means we are both free men, in a free society where free choices lead to different outcomes.
It is not inequality democrats intends to take away, it is freedom. The freedom to succeed, and the freedom to fail. There is no true option for success, if there is no true option for failure. The pursuit of happiness means a whole lot less when you face the punitive hand of government, if your pursuit brings you more happiness than the other guy. Even if the other guy sat on his ass and did nothing. Even if the other guy made a lifetime’s worth of asinine and short sighted decisions.
The Democrats preach equality of outcome as a right, while completely ignoring inequality of effort.
The simple Law of the Harvest – as ye sow, so shall ye reap – is sometimes applied as, “The harder you work, the more you get."
Democrats would turn that upside down. Those who achieve are to be punished as enemies of society, and those who fail are to be rewarded as wards of society. Entitlement will replace effort as the key to upward mobility in American society if democrats gets their way. They seek a lowest common denominator society in which the government besieges the successful and productive to foster equality through mediocrity. He and his party speak of two Americas, and their grip on power is based on using the votes of one to sap the productivity of the other. America is not divided by the differences in our incomes, it is divided by the differences in our efforts.
It is a false philosophy to say one man’s success comes about unavoidably as the result of another man’s victimization.
What Obama offered was not a solution, but a separatism. He fomented division and strife, pitted one set of Americans against another for his own political benefit. That’s what socialists offer. Marxist class warfare wrapped up with a bow. Two Americas, coming closer each day to proving the truth to Lincoln ’s maxim that a house divided against itself cannot stand.
"Life is ten percent what happens to you and ninety percent how you respond to it." quote from Lou Holtz.

Great post, Thanks!
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Old 07-11-2015, 01:24 AM   #11
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I disagree with you. The Republicans are guilty of many things but they certainly agree on less taxes and less government spending on the poor.
Bullshit. Republicans don't lower taxes. It's an illusion. The 1% wins regardless of party. And what poverty program has been reduced in the last 20 years? Right. Not one. The big money goes to the elites, and the crumbs fall for the poor. Regardless of party. Neither party gives a damn about you, or the poor, or anyone other than their corporate owners. Wake up.
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