Asking for discounts...

[atlcomedy]

Here's the reality: if the tactic (asking for a reduced rate) wasn't successful a reasonable percentage of the time, guys would not bother doing it.

So don't blame a guy for asking. Blame your sisters for agreeing to discounts and thus subjecting you to the requests.

Similarly, guys, don't blame ladies for using fake pics. Blame your brothers for consistently thinking with their little head and not saying thanks but no thanks. If fake pics didn't work much of the time, providers wouldn't use them.

And one can apply this logic to a whole host of other practices. Namely, if it wasn't generally acceptable or tolerated by many in the industry, it wouldn't be an issue.

I agree with awl4knot in that I suspect bartering changes the enthusiasm and quality of the session, so it isn't politeness that keeps me from bartering but my desire to get a quality session. I pick my spots with other purchases as well and ask myself will negotiating price reduce the quality of the service I receive?

[awl4knot]

Here are few ending comments:

Originally Posted by sketchball82

1. There are gender issues in play, like it or not. Providers tend to be women. Hobbyists tend to be men. I don't think that is reasonably disputable.

The earlier posts were framed in terms of business and industry models. The issue of gender affecting attitudes regarding price negotiation is a new one.

3. My pin cushion comment was a rebuttal to your logic.

Oops, didn't realize I was being called a pin cushion for not negotiating. That's okay; better than being called the Michelin man.
Don't worry, I've been called worse.

You effectively state that you don't negotiate because it's what providers want. I have no problem if you don't wish to negotiate, but that is your choice. I fail to see how this creates a logical imperative, morality-based issue, or ethical issue that relates to me and my hobbying.

This is where we differ. If someone says, "I don't do that" and you ignore their wishes, then you've shown a lack of respect because you now wish to impose your values. You are saying, through your actions, that it doesn't matter what you want because I want to do it differently. In a world where so many providers want respect from their clients, this cannot sit well. Reference to the "Golden Rule" may seem trite, but it applies here quite well.

5. "Yes, Sketchball82, you are indeed special." No need for cheap shots. I think we're better than that.

You may be better than that, but I am flawed. Sorry for any offense

[mydallas1]

Originally Posted by Solitaire

Because the risk for outcall is increased exponentially. One also has to prepare a bit more creatively to make sure she has everything she needs. (think labor to take your car to a shop vs then driving out to you and repairing on location). Many ladies don't really want to do them, for this reason, but won't turn business away so they price it to control demand.

I know I'm a bit late to the discussion, but I didn't see a more direct answer to this.

If they provide an "in call" at a hotel, to me that is the same as an out call. No different prep. One location she has to pay for the room. One location a room is provided free of charge.

[snowmanintexas]

It sucks that vagina's inflation has somewhat outpaced my ability to pay for it. Henceforth, as a man, essentially ruled by his smaller head, I withdraw weakness for such vagina until the monetary amount asked for encounter is met on my end.

[atlcomedy]

Originally Posted by mydallas1

If they provide an "in call" at a hotel, to me that is the same as an out call. No different prep. One location she has to pay for the room. One location a room is provided free of charge.

It isn't about the room cost and if you are seeing her at a hotel she paid for it is very likely she is using that room to see more than one client. It is the case almost 100% of the time if you are only seeing her for a single hour. It is no different than an incall apartment, she just has a shorter term lease so to speak.

In every "date" at least one party has to travel. Not only is there transportation expense, there is the time involved with travel. Time is money.

If you buy the argument, at least in part, that all you are paying for is her time, consider that for the average one hour outcall appointment a provider is spending at least an hour getting to and from the appointment. The outcall upcharge is typically peanuts compared to her hourly session rate.

Conversely if a guy can regularly afford the price of paying for a higher end escort on a regular basis his time is worth a lot more than the upcharge for outcall. He's happy to pay an extra $50 or $100 so somebody else can slosh across town while he comfortably awaits her arrival.

Of course there are other considerations like level of comfort, security, convenience, personal preference etc. that might drive how one decides to date, but from an economic standpoint time trumps the cost of a hotel room or apartment rental.

[john_deere]

Originally Posted by atlcomedy

I agree with awl4knot in that I suspect bartering changes the enthusiasm and quality of the session, so it isn't politeness that keeps me from bartering but my desire to get a quality session. I pick my spots with other purchases as well and ask myself will negotiating price reduce the quality of the service I receive?

this.

what some of you idiots don't get is:

a. it's ALWAYS ymmv.

b. you have no way of knowing - and this is true of ANY service business - if you're actually getting the best she has to offer.

so, why put yourself in a position of weakness to start with?

[JohnnyCap]

Haggling transcends gender, some of the most brutal negotiators are ladies. And is not upselling a type of haggle?

It's all haggled really, the only thing that sets her price is our agreement.

As for the decline in service, does a gratuity always improve service?

[Urban Dahlia]

Originally Posted by mydallas1

You also dont go into Macy's and randomly ask them to give you a discount because you really want something... you wait until you can afford that item... or you wait until its on sale... or you go buy a knock off. LOL

That's a bad example. I haven't shopped at Macys in years. Their people use to and maybe still do get paid on sales. So the good ones would give a discount if asked or let them know about up coming sales in am attempt to get more commission in the future.


As an interesting side note. Their was an donut company that delivered donuts to business and put a jar out that basically said leave money for what you think the donut is worth. They said it almost always made them way more money that way.

Wouldn't that be interesting, a provider letting the clients set the price based on perceived value.

Interesting indeed. However we providers are not a box of donuts with an honesty jar sitting next to us.

There are hundreds of utr stories from other providers regarding: (1) Getting ripped off with a man leaving less than what was due (2) Taking the donation off the dresser upon leaving stiffing the provider completely (3) Robbing a provider at gun point, and taking all her money.

I love your idea about a man leaving the "perceived value", but unfortunately that would be a huge disservice to the providers. I also don't see it ending well for the man if he left less than the provider was expecting.

There is not enough Trust in the hobby to allot for this type of suggestion. At church...Yes lol, but in the hobby world...No lol

[BigBaldBlk]

I used to think it was tacky to ask for discounts, but then when I see ladies have four different prices on four different sites, I begin to wonder. If I want to see said lady, of course I'm going to mention the lowest price site I saw her ad.

If I do my homework and see a lady will run Specials from time-to-time, I'll wait until she runs one, but I would never ask her to reduce her rate if she's not running one. I have a certain monthly budget I play with and like Devon Boo~tay said before I can play with several ladies or only a few ladies.

[sketchball82]

Originally Posted by awl4knot

Here are few ending comments:

I understand your perspective now. And despite your comment, I consider myself quite respectful. I don't think it's an issue of respect to ask a simple question. After all, some girls would considering asking for Greek, BBBJ, DATO, DATY, or DFE disrespectful: we can't control how someone else takes our question, but that doesn't stop everyone from asking for their favorite hobby activity.

[john_deere]

i don't see how there's a confusion between asking for a discount and asking for clarity on price.

it's two different things.

[Grace Preston]

Originally Posted by snowmanintexas

It sucks that vagina's inflation has somewhat outpaced my ability to pay for it. Henceforth, as a man, essentially ruled by his smaller head, I withdraw weakness for such vagina until the monetary amount asked for encounter is met on my end.

How do you figure? If anything, the overall average is LOWER now than it was in 2006. Back in 2006, I just didn't see ANYONE advertising below 100, few ladies did half hours, even fewer offered BnG. The average for a lady with a good rep back then was 200-250, which is pretty much what it is now.


Now, as to the matter of discounts....

I don't mind wheeling and dealing to a certain degree. But I have been burned. Had a regular client who asked me for a special rate under the stipulation that if I gave him said rate, he would see me every week. I agreed.... in the past 6 months, I've seen him a total of MAYBE 7 times. The last time he contacted me, he tried to get an even lower rate. Needless to say, I'm not willing to extend any good will or discounts to that gent anymore. Some are appreciative of discounts.. others are abusive and just seek more.

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by GracePreston

How do you figure?

Especially in the San Antonio area. Quite low rates compared to most places.

[Raw dog]

I'm in business. I own a business and work for an even bigger business. My competitor goes down on his prices either I go down on mine or I go under. Customer is king! There is always some someone out there ready to take my customers. If I see a loyal customer out there going to my rival I can do two things lower my prices to let them or lose money.

I can choose to see a 1000 dollar a girl or an 100 dollar girl. If the hundred dollar girl gives better service she could make a 1000 easy with me. And be more appreciative of it.

Love what you do or get out. A discount isn't bad if you get more business

[PhillyChik]

I don't see how loving what you do or get out applies to this thread. Also, im not a machine--more business is not always better. Im not chasing green, for anyone. I get less but more solid interest with a higher rate. And, less requests for a discount. Last week, just to test my theory, i ran a 100 off special. I got minimal interest, and the ones who did bite were wanting even cheaper, minus the 2 i saw.