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[Tiffani Jameson]

Originally Posted by Smith_v2

Really.... Safe for who?

I view anyone who would request personal info as a major risk for me. I have personally seen cases where providers had viruses on their notebook PCs (I am still getting spammed as a result of that) and read about cases where jealous boyfriends became a problem. How are they going to screen without using a computer?

I have also personally seen a provider send a broadcast email and include all her clients in the TO and CC fields instead of using BCC. As a result, everyone who got the email got all the other's email addresses. Some idiots had given her their WORK email addresses or personally identifiable email addresses. This provider wasn't stupid by any means, just not careful in this instance.

If personal info gets out - something like associating a real name with an online userid - it will be impossible to clean up. That could come up in background investigations for employment, security screens etc.

I occasionally do not have refs within the last 6 months. I have not been asked for personal info before, and to assume that everyone I have seen is not reputable or safe is unfounded.

In addition, while ECCIE may not make up the majority of clients for many providers, it seems like the shutdown of MyRedBook did create a problem for many on the west coast. It does look like there are providers who do not have as diversified as web presence as others. I would not assume that ECCIE isn't a major source of clients for some.

As for the mention of Eros, one way I avoid risk is by not using Eros, which has been the source of many bait and switch and ROB situations.

There is just too much generalization in this thread. One size doesn't fit all.

I agree that one size doesn't fit all, but what it boils down to is if a man actually gives a damn. There are hookers and there are companions, and variations between.

A predator loves a hooker. He doesn't give a rat's ass if she has a pimp, is a junkie, or if she has a screening method other than touching his ballls. They are the ones who get to meet said pimp and get cash-and-dashed by junkies who don't care about their reputation.

If someone is outed, it's usually between a hobbyist and escort who are too intertwined in the 'hobby' trying to ruin someone's business. It's rarely because a one-time client was set up using his screening information because she fell madly in love and had to tell his wife. You realize how much you have to let someone in to know your parents or find a private home number? You know how much you have to piss someone off for them to do go to those lengths?

A man who cares enough about himself seeks out women who care about their reputation, safety and mental health. He respects her business decisions because when he puts himself in her shoes, he'd do the same thing. It's a turn off when he realizes a lady is wearing herself thin in this business.

I agree there are no guarantees, but a piece of mind is better than no mind. You have the ability to screen women where ever they advertise. The same group of women who who have been ripping guys off for $350 in the Dallas area for YEARS all have ripoff reports on them. Again, you just have to give a damn to look.

[pyramider]

Originally Posted by Smith_v2

Really.... Safe for who?

I view anyone who would request personal info as a major risk for me. I have personally seen cases where providers had viruses on their notebook PCs (I am still getting spammed as a result of that) and read about cases where jealous boyfriends became a problem. How are they going to screen without using a computer?

I have also personally seen a provider send a broadcast email and include all her clients in the TO and CC fields instead of using BCC. As a result, everyone who got the email got all the other's email addresses. Some idiots had given her their WORK email addresses or personally identifiable email addresses. This provider wasn't stupid by any means, just not careful in this instance.

If personal info gets out - something like associating a real name with an online userid - it will be impossible to clean up. That could come up in background investigations for employment, security screens etc.

I occasionally do not have refs within the last 6 months. I have not been asked for personal info before, and to assume that everyone I have seen is not reputable or safe is unfounded.

In addition, while ECCIE may not make up the majority of clients for many providers, it seems like the shutdown of MyRedBook did create a problem for many on the west coast. It does look like there are providers who do not have as diversified as web presence as others. I would not assume that ECCIE isn't a major source of clients for some.

As for the mention of Eros, one way I avoid risk is by not using Eros, which has been the source of many bait and switch and ROB situations.

There is just too much generalization in this thread. One size doesn't fit all.

It's safety for both parties,,,not that difficult a concept. Screening is necessary in the hobby. If a lady asks for too personal info then move on. If the lady is experienced, and reputable, this rarely happens. Personal info getting is the same for both parties. If you are so concerned about your privacy I suggest you change the criteria you use when you are choosing a provider. I have seen quite of few ladies here on icky. My personal info was never a concern with any of them. They saw me, laughed at my 1.3" of dangling death, and move on to more skilled fucktards.

[sketchball82]

Originally Posted by Tiffani Jameson

I agree there are no guarantees, but a piece of mind is better than no mind. You have the ability to screen women where ever they advertise. The same group of women who who have been ripping guys off for $350 in the Dallas area for YEARS all have ripoff reports on them. Again, you just have to give a damn to look.

True. But providers have that same service in things like P411. Why are ripoff reports supposed to be enough for the hobbyists but the providers have the luxury of similar tools (i.e., P411) AND a more thorough screening if they want? I'm pretty sure if I asked to see a pay stub and a DL to verify real name, age, and address of a provider, most providers would ignore me on eccie and block my cell number, lol.

My point is hobbyists take the same risks providers do. Many a hobbyist has gotten robbed at gunpoint, or even murdered too. Wife aggro is the least of our concerns. Just because the status quo allows for provider screening, but not for hobbyist screening doesn't mean such practices are justifiable.

That's back to what I was saying before. (1) You are entitled to screen however you want, even if that is to the detriment of your business--and many ladies should be educated on how negatively it really does affect it; see for example all the dissenters here, but it is your choice on how to run your business. (2) AND I should also be entitled to a more thorough screening if desired, which is currently a laughable idea.

[sketchball82]

Originally Posted by pyramider

It's safety for both parties,,,not that difficult a concept. Screening is necessary in the hobby. If a lady asks for too personal info then move on. If the lady is experienced, and reputable, this rarely happens. Personal info getting is the same for both parties. If you are so concerned about your privacy I suggest you change the criteria you use when you are choosing a provider. I have seen quite of few ladies here on icky. My personal info was never a concern with any of them. They saw me, laughed at my 1.3" of dangling death, and move on to more skilled fucktards.

Haha. I like that. True that.

[Dr. Vanity]

so.....since i love reading- I had to go back to the beginning to read the thread...

Eveyone had great points (good and bad) Bottom line....I find things so interesting because folks sure do like to voice their opinion...and defs makes for a great debate hehe .whether or not the said advise came from a rookie hobbier, first timer, princess call girl, BP lurker, Joe the plumber. the holier than tho callgirl or the business man, or beat the pussy upper (LOL)
.....there is no right or wrong answer.....and NO one is right or wrong...it is a matter of "WHAT" is right and "WHAT" is wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!

fellas at the end of the day- its all about how the said woman feels. Accept it or not- even tho I understand how one may feel and yall too have the right to feel said comfortable. Yes you guys do have a rep to protect as well. But let me kindly remind the fellas - that if the worse case happen.....
that man kills a woman - that woman will be VICTIM
if that woman gets busted- its THAT woman that will get the ticket, arrest,conviction...now before some man replies and said "shoot men are victim too blah blah" then again, that goes back to said statements- ITS ABOUT YOU AND ITS ABOUT HER- IF YALL DONT HAVE A UNDERSTANDING- THEN THE WHOLE ENCOUNTER WILL BE COMPROMISED! The man seeks good companionship. and the woman gives....Isnt that what this is about? Fellas I can absolutely understand where you guys are coming from but yall validity will hold NO weight- if it was the MAN provider and the woman hobnobbing- then yall may, may have a point but I can see it now- Yall would be so egotistically about yall dicks I can only imagine..."girl u wanna B&G?- tell daddy his penis is big and check with my other hoes and ask them about daddy " ha ha ha in my deep man voice CTFU

Up until this post- I will admit I judged some of these women as "that bitch thinks she is the shit" Hey Sue me bc im real, shrugs but I do have to pow down and give credit where credit is due. Every woman felt the same way and spoke passionate about the same concerns...not just for herself but advocating for every woman's safety

Let me add my corny humor Ladies this is what I do and it doesnt always work - For an additional reference ...and to check for his sincerity...ask the fella to go to said place....take off his underwear....take two pictures....(1) with his ding-a-ling swagging and (2) write ur name in chocolate -below his belly button, proceeding with writing "KISS " on his right thigh,,,and "ME" on his left thigh... and tell him once you receive the email- you will be on ur way ...if he says "hell nah" or "no im sorry im not doing that" Then tell him OK I understand...keep my email around babe....(THE END)
OK wait- maybe thats just me because dammit....im ALL WOMAN and can do everything every woman on this thread can do, classy, educated, entrepreneur , articulated conversation all the list goes on bc there is NOTHING new under the sun and many ways to skin a cat---but I have a wild imagination and like spontaneous, adventures and playfulness (kid at heart) said dude wouldnt be a match for me anyway. LOl!

[john_deere]

Originally Posted by pyramider

They saw me, laughed at my 1.3" of dangling death, and move on to more skilled fucktards.

how dare you, sir. that's very rude.

Originally Posted by sketchball82

My point is hobbyists take the same risks providers do.

come on, man. seriously?

[Bijou Neko]

Originally Posted by CarolineDavenport

I'm going to end here because at this point we're really just going in circles.

My parting thoughts are thus:

Ladies, don't let the loudest guys on this board make you think that you can't screen newbies or those without sufficient references however you see fit. For every guy that throws a fit, there's two more behind him that won't. You can listen to someone who has very little experience with other clients (any gent on this thread), or you can listen to ladies who deal with clients on a daily basis. Go as far as not even seeing gents without acceptable references and I will bet you still do fine. Offering some newbie screening options that you're comfortable with does no one harm. He won't give you the info if he doesn't want to, but if he does, you both win a (hopefully) great appointment. The gents that refuse your alternate screening will find someone else. If they don't like the options they are left with, well, that's not your problem.

Happy humping, everyone.

Caroline, thank you for so clearly stating the perspective of ladies who believe that strict screening is not an option, but a necessity. The anti-screening contingent will never change their minds but like you, I am always concerned that newer ladies will be swayed to compromise their peace of mind and safety by the vocal minority. I am really not a debater, but whenever this topic comes up I feel that I need to speak up for the benefit of my "younger sisters". You did a way better job of it than I ever could!

[Eva Damita]

I like to know a few more specific deets on some appointments and if refs are too old, the provider tends to be clueless on the gent.

[pyramider]

If the ladies would just post taint things would be easier for all of us. The details would take care of themselves. Taint brings people together.

[john_deere]

it'd be nice if there was a foolproof screening method, but taint nobody found one yet.

[Eva Damita]

Originally Posted by john_deere

it'd be nice if there was a foolproof screening method, but taint nobody found one yet.

Very true, but it's important to really enjoy the experience of the hobby and not sit in dread and paranoia. The closest thing to a foolproof screening method for me is my GUT

[UTRDaisy]

haha yupyup. like someone said theres too many fish in the sea for that shit.
i would want more recent references.... but there are also many many newbie friendly providers.
so si si, move around and be safe. =)

[UTRDaisy]

i do like how caroline worded that.

[pyramider]

Originally Posted by john_deere

it'd be nice if there was a foolproof screening method, but taint nobody found one yet.

The ladies posting taint photos would be a good start. But I just send dic pics of my 1.3" of dangling death.