P411 LE Infiltrations and reactions vs another board that takes them seriously
Long history of LE use of P411 and uncooperative responses by Gina. Now I have experienced the same with two suspicious P411 listings related to Phoenix in the last few months.
P411 blames any suspicions on lies and false rumors even with strong evidence there may be LE use of P411 escort memberships. Initially every one is verified and obviously no one is under aged or being pimped. However LE seem to also get verified and both escorts and clients have flipped under pressure of arrest to cooperate pressure from LE going after in private consenting adults - legal and no big deal in almost all the world except the U.S.
After my experience after the June 2014 FBI stings and Gina's reaction when I had solid evidence about a P411 account, I did some research and was amazed at the infiltration reports of many and the disgust of many regarding Gina's attitude.
One account from early 2014 even says, "I can no longer deny the responsibility that I have to my sisters to report that I strongly believe that the security of the site can no longer be trusted. I was the biggest proponent of P411 for years, but now sadly, I must say that Gina and I exchanged emails today that can leave me with no other impression than that she is working with cops, maybe even the FBI."
http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2...g-in-the-milk/
The above is a very long article with zillions of comments about P411. One comment I note is from a respected long-time advocate Bella Robinson who on 1/28/2014 says, "I was thrown off P411 last year because I publicly posted a warning after numerous attempts with Gina to clean up the P411 site and get their security under control...(lots more detail)...Gina/P411 is starting to sound like David Elm the original TER owner who exploited and threatened women if they wouldn’t give freebies to him and his friends."
(at above link in comments).
In a major Spring 2014 bust in Phoenix I warned Gina about a P411 escort was arrested and had her cellphone taken. Another escort in the same police pod saw her! She said its all lies and rumors.
During the FBI June 2014 operation, an escort reported she has been frequently harassed by one caller (Max) who aggressively tries to set up appointments whenever there was an a sting. He could not provide acceptable verification except used a reference of a P411 gal who he says he met on a Friday (during the FBI bust).
The P411 gal was traveling and her schedule showed her in Phoenix that day.
An attempt was made to confirm with the P411 escort that she really did meet with Max as he claimed. In response she avoided the question and asked a direct entrapment question that would indicate that it was LE that at least had control of her P411 account.
Obviously we do not know for sure but Gina got very upset that the P411 escort was assumed to be LE just because she avoided the reference question and asked an entrapment question!
The same report was given to a moderator of a different board who thanked me and immediately suspended the account pending further investigation. The opposite it seems of the P411 attitude.
Years ago I had a great relationship with Gina on LE concerns, but lately she seems more interested in protecting her brand then the safety of women. I had widely recommended P411 for years. I no longer recommend P411. There have been quite a few previously confirmed take over of P411 accounts by LE - the latest in March 2014. However these are only the ones known about as she seems to hide or avoid any suspicions based on solid facts about P411 accounts.
All sites have this risk but some site owners take it more seriously when alerted of evidence of infiltration than Gina seems to with "lies and rumors" or being upset when a P411 escort is assumed to be LE based on the evidence.
Over the years the infiltrations of P411 have been both from customers and escorts that have flipped to give up their logins under LE pressure. P411 seems very well known now in the LE community nationally and could be the next Redbook, although since she is in Canada a bit harder to go after her, so they seem to go after verified folks.
Others have also been raising the alarm for example:
"P411 Infiltrated"
http://jennydemilo.com/2013/06/p411-infiltrated/
P411 specifically targeted by the FBI and Denver police in FBI release
http://www.fbi.gov/denver/press-rele...ng-in-colorado
"No big secret about LE infiltration of P411"
http://www.theeroticreview.com/discu...rdID=10&page=1
Also the Appleton Wisconsin and Houston infiltrations before 2013 just a few I recall.
More reports:
May 2014 - Mid TN experienced and continues to experience some very unfortunate events and attitudes. It came to my attention upon return that someone had infiltrated p411 with the result being the arrest of several of my contemporaries. Unfortunately, this is an all too often event that occurs in this community. Yet, what concerned me more than the actual events were the attitude/s that prevailed. I was shocked when I read some of the comments and defenses given and seriously question the motives behind.
http://mygfekali.com/blog-single.php?id=56
Has uncle leo ever infiltrated P411?
Over the years, there have been incidents in Arkansas and Michigan where legitimate clients gave up their entire screening portfolio, which were then used to cause problems for the ladies. P411 is only intended to be used as ONE tool in the verification process, everyone is strongly encouraged to do as much additional research as they feel is necessary to stay safe.
http://64.7.135.207/theotherboard/fo...ad.php?t=31761
A long rant and angry, defensive response from Gina when back in 2009 someone reports LE on her site:
http://badboyreport.kr/2009/12/www-p...select-others/
Gina also seems to have a history of removing anyone from P411 that doesn't march to her tune - Lots of ripoff and complaints but some of these may just be personal at
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Prefer...nternet-716224
A national board moderator with a protection attitude warns a board has been infiltrated: (This can happen on any board so not important which one this is)
"6/28/14 - There have been 3 confirmed reports of LE stings on the board in the last 2 weeks. Everyone needs to be operating from a position or stance of safety first. Checking references, Investigating new peoples whom contact you, and not saying things on the phone or in Email that will incriminate you.
"Hookers get busted, and so do Johns. We all know lots of people who have, and if you do this long enough you will have an LE encounter of the worst kind as well. Lots of us know that sometimes girls flip for LE and there are several here on the board who used to be active who have cut deals.
"I have never before now known of ON board stings. There was one in Kirkland where a board handle booked an app and showed up as LE. There have been 2 instances in Portland now where gals have been busted off the board In both those instances LE tried to get ladies to flip, to get out from having charges filed. In 1 account The lady said she observed the LE manipulating many handles on the board and on xxxxxx board as well.
"A provider was busted earlier this week and was offered a deal that they would rip up her ticket if she gave them her Handle to use. She says she took the ticket instead. This is alarming and not necessarily great for what we’re trying to do here, but I’m worried others may not be as strong as her.
"Everyone needs to stop acting all loosey goosey with personal security and wise up fast. If You see something suspicious please report it to
xxxx@gmail.com."
This seems the opposite of Gina and P411 who seems to just want to protect profits and seems unconcerned about safety of her customers.
P411 LE Infiltrations and reactions vs another board that takes them seriously
