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Old 02-25-2014, 02:07 PM   #46
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How would you feel if Woody Allen came to your candy store...



Figured some of you would hurt yourselves trying to figure it out. You see Woody Allen has been accused of being a child molester and the popular notion is that molesterd entice children with candy. So he is coming to your store, which sells candy, and you have a problem with him because of unproven allegations. To be safe, you deny his business. He can now sue you for something. Maybe because he's Jewish, or from New York City. The point is that as owner of the store, you have NO rights to refuse anyone. This law changes that on religious grounds but not racial or sexual. How would you feel that as real straight arrow someone wanted you to make them a "pussy" cake and you no other recourse than to do it.
Pussy cake?! Now I want one of those


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Old 02-25-2014, 02:20 PM   #47
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whirlaway....
gay people won't have to bring their business' to arz....arz. lost so much money over the m.l.k. decision that i think they may have learned their lesson.....
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Yep......................

The GLTGCDGH crowd should encourage all their members (and sympathizers) to bring their business to Arizona; show America how much business the "religious zealots" are losing.....

But they won't, they will do the opposite and call for a boycott..........

Let's see what Gov. Brewer does............I hope she signs the law........but I doubt she will.
Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer is likely to veto the state’s controversial measure that could allow businesses to refuse service to gay and lesbians due to religious beliefs, according to three people close to the governor and familiar with her thinking.
One of those is longtime Brewer political adviser Chuck Coughlin, who told NBC News: “It’s been her proclivity in the past to focus on the priorities she wants them [the legislature] to accomplish, and this was clearly not part of her agenda.”

“She doesn’t want to take any actions that could jeopardize the economic momentum we’ve seen here in Arizona,” said another person close to the governor.
The Republican governor is flying back to Phoenix on Tuesday after attending National Governors Association meetings this last week. Coughlin said she will meet with stakeholders on both sides on Wednesday and likely make her decision on Thursday or Friday. She has until Saturday morning to sign or veto the bill.

Businesses to Arizona governor: Veto anti-gay bill

Brewer is receiving pressure from the state’s GOP-dominated legislature, which widely approved the legislation. But there’s fear -- expressed in letters from the state’s top business interests -- that Arizona would face an economic backlash if the measure is approved, similar to what happened after the governor’s approval of the state’s controversial immigration law in 2010.
The state economy lost an estimated $140 million in tourism and business revenue in the wake of that law.
Pressure from businesses -- including Apple, which recently announced intentions to build a new manufacturing facility in the state -- have ramped up since the state legislature passed the measure last Thursday.

U.S. Sens. John McCain and Jeff Flake, both Republicans, also have urged the governor to veto the bill. The state’s leading GOP candidates for governor in 2014 have done the same. And three state senators have backed away from their “yes” votes.
On Monday, the Arizona Super Bowl Committee -- the state is hosting next year’s Super Bowl -- also urged the governor to veto the controversial legislation. Earlier in the day, the NFL released its own statement, saying: “Our policies emphasize tolerance and inclusiveness, and prohibit discrimination based on age, gender, race, religion, sexual orientation, or any other improper standard. We are following the issue in Arizona and will continue to do so should the bill be signed into law, but will decline further comment at this time.”
The NFL pulled the Super Bowl out of Arizona in 1993 after the state’s governor rescinded Martin Luther King Jr. Day as a state holiday.
Other factors in Brewer’s decision could be in play as well.
The Center for Arizona Policy, the influential social-conservative organization that led the push for the legislation, has long backed Brewer. And the governor returned that support by approving a list of laws advocated for by the center. Over the years, she signed bills into law that stripped Planned Parenthood of Medicaid funding, denied health benefits for the domestic partners of state employees, and gave preference to married heterosexual couples in the adoption process.
But her relationship with the center’s president, Cathi Herrod, changed when Brewer toured the state last spring in an all-out campaign to expand Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act. Brewer vowed to not sign any legislation in 2013 until the legislature expanded Medicaid funding. But Herrod opposed the expansion unless restrictions were added. Brewer told the AP at the time that the center tried to “manipulate the system.”
Sources confirm to NBC News the pair’s relationship frayed as a result of the Medicaid-expansion fight.

History also indicates a willingness by the governor to controversially break from party lines.
Brewer championed a voter-approved sales tax increase in 2010 that brought in an additional $1 billion in state revenue for education funding. She also vetoed the state’s version of the “birther bill,” which would have required presidential candidates to prove their citizenship to get on to the state’s ballot.
These same sources also tell NBC News that Brewer reads much into her public image. In her early years, the sources say she took offense to news articles and columns that suggested she was “puppet” to the legislature and her political advisers
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Old 02-25-2014, 02:22 PM   #48
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How would you feel if Woody Allen came to your candy store...



Figured some of you would hurt yourselves trying to figure it out. You see Woody Allen has been accused of being a child molester and the popular notion is that molesterd entice children with candy. So he is coming to your store, which sells candy, and you have a problem with him because of unproven allegations. To be safe, you deny his business. He can now sue you for something. Maybe because he's Jewish, or from New York City. The point is that as owner of the store, you have NO rights to refuse anyone. This law changes that on religious grounds but not racial or sexual. How would you feel that as real straight arrow someone wanted you to make them a "pussy" cake and you no other recourse than to do it.


How about Ted Nugent? He has been accused of sex with a 12 year old, wrote a song about raping a 13 year old, adopted a 17 year old to have sex with her.
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Old 02-25-2014, 05:20 PM   #49
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Old 02-25-2014, 05:21 PM   #50
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I liked the one on the storefront said....

We reserve the right to refuse service to legislators.
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Old 02-25-2014, 05:23 PM   #51
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JDIdiot continues to live up to his moniker.

"The Gay Position." Like one person or blog speaks for all gay people, like Fox speaks for all, er, well, never mind.

Dipshittus effluvius...
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Old 02-25-2014, 09:51 PM   #52
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I'd prefer a world where principles and ethics meant more than money, even if those principles were based on hate. I'd rather deal with people who believe in something other than the next dollar, those people are without principles. Those people create derivative trading and pyramid schemes. Those people live by the mantra, fuck the next guy.

I quoted COG not to be anti-COG, just the words he used.
Are you trying to make sense? It didn't work. You intentionally misunderstand and distort a simple concept. The people with the principles you admire would be less successful, if their "principles" forbade them from serving certain groups. You'd support these people? I'd like to know if a business didn't want blacks, gays, Hispanics, etc. to enter. I wouldn't show up either.

How does that even remotely relate to pyramid schemes and a "fuck the next guy" mantra? You just tripped over your halo, JohnnyCrap, you self-righteous moron.

Oh, I'm not anti- JohnnyCrap. Just the nonsense he spewed.
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Old 02-25-2014, 10:48 PM   #53
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Theoretically speaking, a prostitute in Nevada, where prostitution is legal, could not refuse to serve a gay customer, either. So, if a man set out to service women, but men showed up instead, he would be fucked!!
Anyway, does anyone seriously doubt that the gay guys were out looking for trouble? They could have found any number of bakeries that would have made them a fucking cake, but they wanted someone to refuse so they could make their point.
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Old 02-26-2014, 08:01 AM   #54
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Arizona lost the Superbowl once because they would not implement MLK day will they loose it again with their anti gay bill?
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Old 02-26-2014, 08:08 AM   #55
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Arizona lost the Superbowl once because they would not implement MLK day will they loose it again with their anti gay bill?
What difference, at this point, will it make? I personally don't give a shit who plays in the superbowl, or the fact that hotel operators and rental care agencies get to gouge people, or that 200,000 prostitutes descend on the area to work the game.
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A popular myth that Arizona paid a high price for their stand on MLKs birthday. A few high profile events and some embarassment for their representatives was about the extent of the damage. How many times will this be mischaracterized by the left? A gay man or woman who walks into a business will be served unless their request is not in line with the religious views of the proprietor. Can you walk into a Hala shop and ask for some bacon? You can't. Can you demand that the Orthodox Jewish owner of a shop be open on Saturday? You can't. Not yet.

A little education for you http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/...e-mlk-holiday/

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Arizona had a federal MLK day before New Hampshire
The voters approved of MLK day, no other state can claim that
The opposition to MLK day was financial (a paid federal holiday)
The unions initiated the demand for MLK day (see above)
The claim of damage comes from proponets of the holiday and not an independent source
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What difference, at this point, will it make? I personally don't give a shit who plays in the superbowl, or the fact that hotel operators and rental care agencies get to gouge people, or that 200,000 prostitutes descend on the area to work the game.
The Superbowl doesn't give a shit if you watch it or not.
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The Superbowl doesn't give a shit if you watch it or not.
I guess it works for both of us, then.
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Arizona lost the Superbowl once because they would not implement MLK day will they loose it again with their anti gay bill?
Nope, Aunt Jan vetoed it like everyone knew she would.

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What difference, at this point, will it make? I personally don't give a shit who plays in the superbowl, or the fact that hotel operators and rental care agencies get to gouge people, or that 200,000 prostitutes descend on the area to work the game.
We don't mind the hookers showing up.
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