Amazing juror interview with Anderson Cooper.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Doove

Seems you have no idea of the context of the conversation, so you pretty much just wasted your time.

You mean the conversation you would prefer to have ... or the reality.

Since you are apparently IN NY I thought you might prefer using NY law as opposed to the other 49 states in the U.S. ... and since you are apparently IN NY I also thought you might no something about NY law at least before you started talking about it ... but like you so generously mention .. I was wrong you don't prefer to use NY law and you don't know much about it as it relates to this "context" either. So, I was right about that!

FYI: My comments about some of the legal issues posted by novices and media hounds on this board is primarily to lace the conversation with some reality, but also there are actually knit-wits on here who actually believe that the more reviews one posts the smarter they are about just about any topic, including pussy.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

You mean the conversation you would prefer to have ... or the reality.

Since you are apparently IN NY I thought you might prefer using NY law as opposed to the other 49 states in the U.S. ... and since you are apparently IN NY I also thought you might no something about NY law at least before you started talking about it ... but like you so generously mention .. I was wrong you don't prefer to use NY law and you don't know much about it as it relates to this "context" either. So, I was right about that!

Do you have any idea as to what WTF and Olivia were talking about? I was simply pointing out that the ease and regularity of "restraining orders" that Olivia (and Hankerin', for that matter) was referring to really had no real relevancy here given the difference between a restraining order telling someone to not sell the living room set and a restraining order telling someone to stay away from someone they've been violent with.

Again, you're wasting your time. And mine, quite frankly. Learn to follow along.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Doove

Do you have any idea as to what WTF and Olivia were talking about? I was simply pointing out that the ease and regularity of "restraining orders" that Olivia (and Hankerin', for that matter) was referring to really had no real relevancy here given the difference between a restraining order telling someone to not sell the living room set and a restraining order telling someone to stay away from someone they've been violent with.

Actually, I have a better idea of what is being discussed than you, WTF, and Olivia put together ... since you brought it up .. in fact I probably have forgotten more about TRO's that you all will EVER KNOW.

Now have said that ... it is just as easy to get an order telling someone to not beat the crap out of each other as it is to NOT take the furniture ......... particularly in today's environment in which judges are prone to want to PREVENT VIOLENCE if they can before it happens.

In fact of the TRO's I've seen RARELY (in fact I can't remember one) do they JUST prohibit one or the other ... in marital (common or legal) ... and/or "partnership" litigation in which people have been living together and they are splitting up.

And in case you are still "confused" .... I've see PROTECTIVE ORDERS ("Final" ones) issued when there was NO EVIDENCE of ANY VIOLENCE or EVEN THREATENED violence toward the applicant for the PO against the person who was being enjoined .. and I also saw the police reports in which the officers reported not evidence and/or report of violence by the alleged victim who sought the PO. I'm not saying that is "usual" .. I'm saying that it happens.

So given the reality .. a TRO based on proof of violence found in the TRO may be some evidence at that time of the commission of violence, but simply have a TRO issued does not, because I have seen them issued with no findings by the court of any actual violence.

No please go discuss "poop" or something else related to it, which you seem to know a lot about

[Doove]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Actually, I have a better idea of what is being discussed than you, WTF, and Olivia put together ... since you brought it up .. in fact I probably have forgotten more about TRO's that you all will EVER KNOW.

Now have said that ... it is just as easy to get an order telling someone to not beat the crap out of each other as it is to NOT take the furniture ......... particularly in today's environment in which judges are prone to want to PREVENT VIOLENCE if they can before it happens.

In fact of the TRO's I've seen RARELY (in fact I can't remember one) do they JUST prohibit one or the other ... in marital (common or legal) ... and/or "partnership" litigation in which people have been living together and they are splitting up.

And in case you are still "confused" .... I've see PROTECTIVE ORDERS ("Final" ones) issued when there was NO EVIDENCE of ANY VIOLENCE or EVEN THREATENED violence toward the applicant for the PO against the person who was being enjoined .. and I also saw the police reports in which the officers reported not evidence and/or report of violence by the alleged victim who sought the PO. I'm not saying that is "usual" .. I'm saying that it happens.

So given the reality .. a TRO based on proof of violence found in the TRO may be some evidence at that time of the commission of violence, but simply have a TRO issued does not, because I have seen them issued with no findings by the court of any actual violence.

No please go discuss "poop" or something else related to it, which you seem to know a lot about

Wow, you're really smart.

Too bad nothing you said was really relevant. But don't let that stop ya.

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by Doove

And you're being (surprise, surprise) entirely disingenuous.

How about you explain to us, Olivia, the difference between an automatic restraining order (that you're referring to) and a domestic violence restraining order (that's relevant in this discussion).

I think you mean a protective order, and it seems a Restraining not a Protective order from what I've read here is what was issued. The difference is a TRO is standard in a divorce proceeding. A protective order has a lot more teeth. It is issued when there is a real and eminent danger. LL can better explain.

Besides, even if GZ is an asshole, that's not illegal and it isn't a reason to trump up charges and the put him in prison for the rest of his life.

Never mind! Seems LL did in spades. LOL

[Doove]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

Besides, even if GZ is an asshole, that's not illegal and it isn't a reason to trump up charges and the put him in prison for the rest of his life.

Wouldn't expect the board birther to see it any other way.

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by Doove

Wouldn't expect the board birther to see it any other way.

So you think it's ok to convict an innocent man because he's an asshole or not PC? Dude, that's not right.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

So you think it's ok to convict an innocent man because he's an asshole or not PC? Dude, that's not right.

Didn't say that.

I think he's a murderer. And what i said was, since the dead guy in this scenario is a black dude, it doesn't surprise me that you don't.

[acp5762]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

It's standard text written to a divorce petition. I never asked for a restraining order, yet my lawyer wrote it into my petition and the judge granted it. Besides, i'm not a lawyer and I've never been in that position, but I think a restraining order is different than a protective order.

You're right Restraining Orders and Protective Orders are different. The major difference is Protective orders are enforceable by the Police and one can be criminally charged with violating a protective order. Restraining Orders on the other hand are issued by the courts and are not enforceable by the Police.