How To Stop a Massacre

[Yssup Rider]

You are a dipshit.

[cptjohnstone]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

You are a dipshit.

thank you "cut and paste" and shit for brains

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

I'm sorry, if I am being held up at gunpoint I don't want some good-intentioned gunslinger interferring. These were obviously some young kids trying to make an easy score and get out. If they had the intention of killing people they would have opened fire as soon as they entered the place. They could have just as easily, once confronted, opened fire on anyone and everyone. Gun owners are not there to protect me. I don't want to suffer the consequences for someone else's actions. In this case the actions were successful. Could have just as easily gone the other way.

if Im strapped and some idiot runs in waving a gun demanding whatever, Im pretty sure Im not going to wait and see how everything turns out ... the graveyard is filled with hesitation

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

Note the terminology from Speedie; "gunslinger" instead of armed citizen. Do you know what a gunslinger even is? Speedie can also second guess the motivation and intentions of the criminals. They would have opened fire as soon as they entered? What movie is that from?

To me a gunslinger is someone who opens fire with total disregard for his or her surroundings. The guy fired several shots, none of which hit their targets. The bullets must have hit something. Was the guy in this case 100% sure that he wasn't putting other innocent people at risk? If the guy was totally aware of his surroundings and knew there was no one else possibly in his line of fire, and no way a bullet could have richocheted off of something and hit an innocent person, and no way a bullet could have gone through something solid and hit someone, then I will retract the term "gunslinger".

I have no idea what the intentions were of the criminals. AND NEITHER DO YOU. What I do know is they had weapons and could have just as easily used them on others instead of running, as they did in this case.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

If I'm at a business, and some gun toting kids walk in, I would thank God and anyone else if some old geezer had a gun and started taking them out. I'm a non-violent man, and I don't own a gun, but if someone has me a gunpoint, and someone else wants to rescue me, I'm not getting in his way.

That's fine. We have a difference of opinion. Unlike most on this forum, I can live with that.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

Great video! I've seen it before but I still get a kick out of it. There would be far less crime if concealed carry was more common. If a thug has a reasonable expectation of getting shot, he's less likely to commit the crime. I think that's what's called common sense.

Trayvon wouldn't have tried to beat Zimmerman to death if he thought there was a good chance he had a gun.

Wow, what a simple answer to stopping crime!!! Simply require everyone to carry a gun!!

And were you there when Zimmerman and Martin got into their altercation? Maybe Zimmerman pulled his gun and Trayvon, fearing for his life, simply tried to fight for his life. I don't know and neither do you. All we have is the word of a person who perjured himself (Zimmerman) in front of a judge and tried to hide the money he received from people donating to his defense.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

There would be far less crime if concealed carry was more common. If a thug has a reasonable expectation of getting shot, he's less likely to commit the crime. I think that's what's called common sense.

Sounds like common sense but doesn't hold up when you look at statistics. I looked at a very reliable source of information concerning violent crime in the U.S. and states over time and matched that to the ease of obtaining a CHL.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime

Violent crime rate from 2000 - 2011 in the U.S. per 100,000 people decreased 24% over that time period. I chose states which differed regarding concealed carry laws, and here are how much the violent crime rate went down in each state:

Arizona No laws restricting concealed carry -24%
Vermont No laws restricting concealed carry +20%
Wyoming No laws restricting concealed carry -18%

Texas Requires a CHL - Easy to obtain -25%
Loisiana Requres a CHL - Easy to obtain -19%
Ohio Requires a CHL - Easy to obtain -8%

N.Y. Requires a CHL - Harder to obtain -28%
N.J Requires a CHL - Harder to obtain -20%
Cal. Requires a CHL - Harder to obtain -34%

Illinois No CHLs allowed -35%

So, at least regarding this one website, there is absolutely NOTHING to indicate that allowing legally concealed handguns lowers the incident of violent crime. What I particularly found interesting was that in Illinois, one of the few states not allowing CHLs, the violent crime rate showed one of the highest decreases.

Feel free to cite other reliable sources of data to back up your "common sense" hypothesis.