More athletes becoming tax refugees...

[Guest032516]

Maybe the Ranger can get Josh Hamilton back:

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2013/0...#ixzz2JTznKiTx

On second thought, the Angels can have him.

I don't know why more golfers don't already live in Florida. Tiger moved there years ago. No state income tax, plenty of gold courses and tournaments, and you can get a house right on the ocean. The only thing you won't have are the mountains that California has.

Are mountains worth 13.3% of your income - every single year?

Best off to avoid playing in tournaments in California in lieu of other tournaments.

And persuade PGA to avoid scheduling a large number of tournaments in high-tax states to begin with.

Most of the money for tournaments comes from TV ad revenues, NOT ticket prices, so you won't lose out much having more golf tournaments in FL, TX, and NC and less in NY, CA, NJ, IL etc.

And most of the golfers income comes from sponsorships from Nike and other companies, not the tournament prize money. So, that will only be taxed by the state or reisdence, not in the states where tournaments are played.

[Seedy]

Originally Posted by ExNYer

Maybe the Ranger can get Josh Hamilton back:

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2013/0...#ixzz2JTznKiTx

On second thought, the Angels can have him.

I don't know why more golfers don't already live in Florida. No state income tax, plenty or courses and tournaments and you can get a house right on the ocean. The only thing you wont' have are the mountains that California has.

Are mountains worth 13.3% of your income - every single year?

Best off to avoid playing in tournaments in California in lieu of other tournaments.

And persuade PGA to avoid scheduling a large number of tournaments in high-tax states to begin with.

Totally agree with your whole post. Fuck all those high taxation states, let all the workers come down here, and they can keep all the food stamp, and odumbo phone folks. And fuck bailing them out when they go down the tubes financially.

[Jackie S]

I agree. We here in Texas enjoy a great work atmosphere, high salarys, and a government that understands that after all of the blood is sucked out, the victim dies.

Hell, even our Bull Dyke Mayor understands that the business of Houston is Business.

This is a classic case of killing the goose that laid the golden eggs.

Keep it up, New York, California, and any other State that rewards low information voters with other peoples hard earnings. You will pander and pilpher right up untill the last person who is interested in working for a living, and keeping what he earns, packs up and leaves.

[JD Barleycorn]

What does your bull dyke mayor look like? Here it is

[satexasguy]

Here's a quote from an article talking about which states will feel the effects of immigration reform the most "Ultimately (after several years) the most significant political impact California would feel would be a slew of new Democratic voters, Steve Camarota, director of research at the Washington-based Center for Immigration Studies, says with a laugh."

CA is already burdened with the high cost of social programs/benefits, imagine what the additional democratic voters will do! They will drive out almost all businesses and the remaining 2%. How will they support their welfare programs then?

[cptjohnstone]

Originally Posted by ExNYer

And most of the golfers income comes from sponsorships from Nike and other companies, not the tournament prize money. So, that will only be taxed by the state or reisdence, not in the states where tournaments are played.

I went to high school with Doug Tewell (won the Colonial way back when) and Mark Hayes (he won the Byron Nelson way back when and yes they say get 3X their income from sponorships

[Guest123018-4]

The worst part of it is that as business declines in those highly taxed states the idiots that created the problem will move to places like Texas and vote for the same type of shit that killed the state they came from. Stupid is as stupid does. The inability to understand that there is a problem and it is looking at you from the mirror.

[Whirlaway]

You would think the high dollar celebs would flee as well..

[pyramider]

Most do ... Look at the influx of celebrities that now reside in TX.

Why do movies get made in Canada, TX, and other non CA locations? Cost of doing business is cheaper. Labor, taxes, leasing property/equipment, other services .... cheaper.

[pyramider]

Double posted.

[Whirlaway]

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[Randy4Candy]

heh, once you righites close down all of the unions (including the sports related Players' Associations) this set of circumstances will become moot (not, "mute," you illiterates). You know, sort of like a reverse "self-deportaton" scheme your two lovers, Romnuts and Whyan, championed so successfully a few months ago. When all professional athletes start getting paid $12.00/hour or whatever pittance the owners can come up with, sans contract, then athletes' need for "tax havens" will subside. As far as the PGA goes, who here thinks that sponsors or tournament promoters wouldn't jump at a chance to put more money in their pockets, instead of the players through inflated tournament and sponsor payouts?

Of course, your ticket, parking, staduim bond, beer, and other concession prices won't drop but, that's cool isn't it?

You numb-nutted klowns need to investigate the workings of the real world. Athletes pay state and local income taxes, where applicable, to whatever jurisdiction in which they "work," i.e. play games. Knowing Texas, there's probably some "fee" or excise tax on visiting out-of-state athletes whose teams come play here. I can't see Governot MoFo Goodhair missing out on that opportunity.

[Guest032516]

You just tacked a bunch of unrelated points onto a discussion about moving away from high tax states to low tax states.

It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

Let's pick through the stupidity of your points:

Originally Posted by Randy4Candy

heh, once you righites close down all of the unions (including the sports related Players' Associations) this set of circumstances will become moot (not, "mute," you illiterates).
I didn't know "righties" were closing down pro athletes unions. Can you point to a particular law that does this?

In fact, far from being closed down, I thought the players unions were doing just fine. Their salaries continue to go up even in the current lousy, extended recession. Ths owners, however, are getting hammered, particularly in the NHL and NBA. A number of franchises may have to be moved or sold.

You know, sort of like a reverse "self-deportaton" scheme your two lovers, Romnuts and Whyan, championed so successfully a few months ago. When all professional athletes start getting paid $12.00/hour or whatever pittance the owners can come up with, sans contract, then athletes' need for "tax havens" will subside.
Do you actually believe that pro jocks will ever get paid a pittance? $12/hour? Really? Why are you so determined that they continue to get $15 million per year? Why is that important?

Even if the average starting players salary drops to, say, $2 million per year, that is STILL a top 1% salary. How exactly is that a problem?

The whole idea of "labor dispute" in pro sports is ludicrous. It is a battle between multi-millionaires on one side and billionaires on the other side.

In fact, far from being closed down, I thought the players unions were doing just fine. Their salaries continue to go up or at least stay flat even in the current lousy, extended recession. Ths owners, however, are getting hammered, particularly in the NHL and NBA. A number of franchises may have to be moved or sold.

The owners (i.e., the franchises) have a much stronger tie to their communities than the players ever will. Peolpe in LA identify with the Dodgers. In NY, they identify with the Yankees or the Mets. In Dallas, the Rangers.

The players are a different story. Ever since free agency came into existence, players have been motivated almost exclusively by money. if you get 5 years out of a player now, consider yourself lucky.

Even before Josh Hamilton signed with the Angels, a lot of folks in Dallas were saying the Rangers should let him go rather than give away the store to keep him. Players are viewed strictly as mercenaries now.

So, it a battle between the teams and the players, I side with the teams. They will be around a LOT longer that the players.

As far as the PGA goes, who here thinks that sponsors or tournament promoters wouldn't jump at a chance to put more money in their pockets, instead of the players through inflated tournament and sponsor payouts?
Do you have ANY idea how pro golf works? The sponsors could do that NOW, couldn't they? And if they could, they would. But they haven't have they?

The pro golfers don't have a union to negotiate with the owners because there are NO OWNERS (or teams for that matter). Nike and other sponsors don't have to pay a dime to any player because Nike sponsorships are entirely voluntary. Players can't negotiate collectively with Nike. Nike PICKS the golfers it wants to hire as its spokesman and pays them only what Nike thinks they are worth. If Tiger Woods wants too much money, they hire Mickelson instead. Or McElroy.

A bank that sponsors the Byron Nelson is paying to advertise. If the Byron wants too much money, then the bank sponsors a concert instead. Or pays for more ads on Monday Night football.

The golf tournaments set their own prize money awards. If the prize money isn't high enough, Tiger Woods may not show up. But plenty of other good golfers will. The tournament may not attract big money sponsors in that case, but that is a tradeoff the tournament makes.

Golf is completely different than the team sports.

Of course, your ticket, parking, staduim bond, beer, and other concession prices won't drop but, that's cool isn't it?
The issue is athletes relocating to lower tax states to keep more of what they make. No one said they were going to take less gross pay. They are trying to increase their take home pay.

The more I read this point, the stupider it looks. This is just irrelevant sour grapes from a "progressive". You can't achieve your goal of raising taxes everywhere and you are pissed that you can't stop rich folks from moving away from the hightax utopias of NY, CA, etc.

So you bring up continued high ticket prices as something you think you can run in conservatives faces. But liberals pay those high prices too, not just low tax advocates.

And do I really need to point out that if the athletes DON'T move to lower tax states, those ticket prices STILL won't drop? And if Texas raises its taxes to the level of NY or CA, then there will be no motivation for the athletes to move. So then, not only won't Texas get the players, but Texans will get stuck paying higher income taxes and higher concession prices.

So what exactly was your point anyway?

You might as well have said "Of course, athletes will still continue to date hot women, but that's cool isn't it?" It makes just as much sense.

Bitter angry liberal.

You numb-nutted klowns need to investigate the workings of the real world. Athletes pay state and local income taxes, where applicable, to whatever jurisdiction in which they "work," i.e. play games. Knowing Texas, there's probably some "fee" or excise tax on visiting out-of-state athletes whose teams come play here. I can't see Governot MoFo Goodhair missing out on that opportunity.
See my comments above about the real world or pro sports, which you clearly know nothing about. One of the things we do in the real world is read the articles that are linked to in the posts. And you clearly didn't read it because the article already addresses the issue of games played on the road.

Athletes play half of the games on the road. They are stuck with paying the stat and local taxes in those road games. However, the other half are played at home and are governed by their state of residence only (assuming their "home" for tax purposes is in the same states where they play). So, if they live in Texas, they don't pay state income taxes on half of their salary. And Texas taxes on visiting players (if there are any) don't affenct them at all.

And finally, income from sponsorships isn't taxed by states you visit. If Peyton Manning gets paid $2M to do an ad for Ford, Colorado taxes the Nike income (assuming he lives in Denver). The 8 states where the Broncos play road games don't get any of the nike money.

[CuteOldGuy]

That was really one of RaggedyAndy's stupider posts, which in itself is an achievement. Apparently he missed his afternoon tea.

[pyramider]

Other states are starting to stick regular people that travel on the job with income taxes. If I travel to a state with income tax and spend more than five days there, I will be having to file in that state, too.