Plan B

[Fast Gunn]

Plan B has gone down.

I suppose that was why it was called Plan B to begin with!

. . . But hey, don't we still have the exact same and accursed Fiscal Cliff to contend with?



http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...y.html?hpid=z1

[TheDaliLama]

Merry Cliffmas...

Fast Cum.

[Sidewinder]

This is Obama and Reid and the Senate playing chicken with Boehner and the House.

Unfortunately, they're on the sidelines, with the radio control transmitters. We're in the cars.

[gnadfly]

The House bills have been in Harry Reid's office for months but he refuses to bring them out for a vote in order to protect the President. People like FetishFreak still don't get it.

Welcome to the Barackolypse. A day early. There will be 2013, it will be the President selling that it wasn't his fault - like three dollars in tax cuts for every dollar in tax increases. Right, exNYer?

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!Ha! Ha! Ha!Ha! Ha! Ha! <== Obama laughing from Hawaii.

[Fast Gunn]

Well, Merry Christmas to you too, llama head.

By the way, why are you speaking with a lisp now?

. . . Have you been sucking donkey dick again?

Originally Posted by TheDaliLama

Merry Cliffmas...

Fast Cum.

[TheDaliLama]

Originally Posted by Fast Gunn

Well, Merry Christmas to you too, llama head.

By the way, why are you speaking with a lisp now?

. . . Have you been sucking donkey dick again?

Is that your bong Fast Cum?

[Guest022315]

John Bonehead shows his weight in the house It should be noted Nancy Pelosi would never have this problem

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by Thatdude

John Bonehead shows his weight in the house It should be noted Nancy Pelosi would never have this problem

Apparently you are correct! Boehner's plan to be the dominant voice in Fiscal Cliff discussions seems to have backfired. The following analysis is from Politico:

Boehner’s toughest hour
By: Jake Sherman and John Bresnahan
December 20, 2012 10:57 PM EST

Things were so bad for Speaker John Boehner Thursday night, support for his Plan B tax bill so diminished, the limits of his power with his own party laid bare, that he stood in front of the House Republican Conference and recited the Serenity Prayer.

“God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.”

Boehner nearly cried.

The Ohio Republican accepted that he couldn’t change the minds of his House Republican Conference. He tried to convince them that, facing tough negotiations with President Barack Obama over the fiscal cliff, he needed them on his side — and he fell short. With that, Boehner — a man who has clawed back from the political ledge to arrive at the top rung of power — saw perhaps the lowest moment in his speakership.

It was supposed to be a moment of strength, a way to drag Obama and the Democrats toward them in the high-stakes fiscal cliff negotiations that have Washington teetering on the brink. Instead, it showed the world that either Boehner couldn’t bring 217 of his own members to his side, or they were unwilling to be led by him in this fight.

Rep. Mike Kelly, a burly freshman from Pennsylvania, stood in front of a closed meeting in the basement of the Capitol and said his fellow Republicans were selfish. Boehner, he said, has done a good job.

It was too late. The meeting had adjourned. No heartfelt rhetoric from Boehner. He and Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) simply read statements later delivered to the press, and went their respective ways. It’s unclear when the House will return.

GOP aides said it could even be 2013, after big tax increases and spending cuts kick in, although they have been warned to be on 48-hour notice to return to Washington if necessary.

Thursday’s drama irreversibly changes the dynamics in the negotiations to solve the legislative morass known as the fiscal cliff.

For starters, the House Republican Conference has significantly tamped down Boehner’s (R-Ohio) leverage. Forget rallying support to a plan he crafted with Obama — he couldn’t get people on board with his own plan.

Boehner’s statement — released after the closed meeting in the House basement — seemed to hand off the the nation’s fiscal crisis to Democrats.

“Now it is up to the president to work with Sen. Reid on legislation to avert the fiscal cliff,” Boehner said Thursday night.

Boehner’s Republican Conference has relegated their negotiator to the sidelines. Now, Republicans will see why Boehner was willing to offer Obama so much: The final deal Republicans will now have to swallow will be driven by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and Obama.

“He’s tried his best,” said Rep. Steve LaTourette (R-Ohio), a longtime Boehner confidant who is leaving Congress at the end of the year. “But sometimes your best isn’t good enough in the face of some people that just don’t want to find common ground.”

Rep. Buck McKeon, a California Republican who has served with Boehner for two decades, said what happened to the speaker is a “real shame.”

“He has worked his heart out to try to get the best deal he can, and to have this happen is very sad for the country,” McKeon said.

In the end, his strategy backfired.

Boehner begged for a one-on-one negotiation with Obama — a power play to show he, not his unruly conference, was running the show. He emerged from Mitt Romney’s loss as a strengthened leader: He’s the most powerful Republican in the country.

He even moved to strip trouble-making lawmakers of plum committee assignments in a bid to flex his internal muscle. Without consulting his membership, Boehner offered Obama $800 billion in revenue.

“This is where I’m going,” Boehner personally told his fellow leaders when he made Obama the offer, a fresh blast of confidence.

That newfound political capital was quickly sanded-down by Boehner’s own crew.

What happened to the 63-year-old in just the last week is striking. On Saturday night, word leaked out that he had given into the White House’s demand that he allow tax rates on the rich to snap to 39.6 percent. Immediately, conservatives were grumbling but still gave Boehner room to maneuver.

On Monday night, Boehner called Obama to inform him he would devise a plan and pass it out of the House — Plan B, he called it — because negotiations with the White House weren’t moving quickly enough.

Boehner’s in-house power structure quickly sprung into action.

His leadership team spent the past few days gathering support for the legislation — as of late Wednesday, there were clear signs that Boehner’s bill did not have sufficient support. On Wednesday night and all day Thursday, Boehner worked the House floor, personally making the case for the bill to wavering members. By late Thursday, he was sitting on the floor with Reps. Patrick Tiberi (Ohio), Tom Latham (Iowa) and Mike Simpson (Idaho) — close allies and friends, who support the speaker unfailingly.

Top Republicans remained hopeful, until late Thursday when GOP lawmakers voiced a public protest. Twenty-one Republicans voted against a spending bill to send a signal to leadership that the tax-rate bill didn’t meet their muster. It was the rank and file screaming that Plan B would not pass.

One hour and 15 minutes later, Boehner was leading Republicans into a Capitol basement meeting room to wave the white flag.

Some of the same members kicked off committees and denied leadership spots — Rep. Tim Heulskamp of Kansas and Rep. Tom Price of Georgia — led the resistance.

Rep. Aaron Schock (R-Ill.) put it plainly: “Nobody’s elected king in our conference.”

”And so I thought the speaker did a very good job of making the case for why this was a good proposal and at the end of the day though, it’s up to the conference’s will, is what happens,” Schock said. “Nobody can tell any duly elected representative who represents over 700,000 constituents how they have to vote. So you have to then respect the process and each individual’s vote.”

Last month, Boehner won unanimous support of the House Republican Conference to serve as speaker for the next two years. But for the first time, GOP lawmakers privately told POLITICO Thursday night that there are questions about Boehner’s grip on power.

With Congress out, potentially until 2013, he might not see some of those faces until he gets to the House floor to be officially voted in as speaker.

Seung Min Kim and Ginger Gibson contributed to this report.
© 2012 POLITICO LLC

[gnadfly]

Originally Posted by Thatdude

John Bonehead shows his weight in the house It should be noted Nancy Pelosi would never have this problem

Pelosi is in the House and she still has this problem.

[Randy4Candy]

Really, gnad? I must have missed her recent election as Speaker of the House. I'll look into that and try to keep up.

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by Randy4Candy

Really, gnad? I must have missed her recent election as Speaker of the House. I'll look into that and try to keep up.

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