Like I told SPEED voters with high enthusiasm cast ballots and those that aren't don't and THAT isn't in your man ol' Joe's favor.

[bb1961]

I'm sure SPEED you can explain this away. As close as the polls are when you look underneath the veneer things don't look good for your boy Quid Pro Quo Joe. You have "tried" to explain away the record crowds and record turnout in the primaries for Trump but this shouldn't surprise you. Chances are the people that say they're voting for ol' Joe might not even vote at all, but the ones that say their voting for Trump chances are they will cast the ballots for him. In politics charisma is every thing...and ol' Joe ain't got it.
The calls from the pollsters to voters many time don't bring them out to cast their ballots when you have little or no enthusiam. That's a real problem for your man ol' Joe.




Poll Shows Trump Slightly Trailing Biden In Support, But Crushing Him In Voter Enthusiasm
Posted at 11:30 am on March 30, 2020 by Jeff Charles

Supporters listen as President Donald Trump speaks at a campaign rally, Thursday, Jan. 9, 2020, in Toledo, Ohio. (AP Photo/ Jacquelyn Martin)


A new ABC/Washington Post poll revealed some noteworthy findings regarding the presidential election. The survey had some good news for Biden, but even better news for President Donald Trump.

For starters, the study found that 51% of Democratic voters prefer Biden while only 42% still back Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) for the nomination. At this point, it is almost certain that the former vice president will secure the nomination.
The poll also revealed that Biden’s lead over Trump has decreased, but he still maintains a slight edge over the president at 49% to 47%. However, this three-point lead is a statistical dead heat between the two candidates. These results show a marked difference from a recent Fox News poll that showed Biden leading the president 49% to 41%. It seems that Trump is quickly closing that gap.
But there was another finding that is worth noting. While Biden’s support is still high, his voter enthusiasm rating is, in a word, abysmal. Only 24% of his supporters indicate “strong enthusiasm” for the former vice president. This pales in comparison to the 53% of Trump supporters who expressed high enthusiasm for supporting the president.

Another key indicator is the attitudes of Sanders supporters. According to the poll, 15% stated that they would support Trump in November if Biden becomes the Democratic nominee.
The results of the poll show are highly favorable when it comes to Trump’s chances for re-election. As ABC News points out, “Strong enthusiasm for a candidate can help boost turnout on Election Day, a must-have particularly for Democrats, who rely more on motivating less-frequent voters to come to the polls.”
Previous elections seem to support ABC News’ assertion. As they noted, Hillary Clinton’s enthusiasm numbers were a mere 32% who said they were “very enthusiastic” in supporting her in September 2016. A low enthusiasm rating can easily spell doom for a presidential candidate when it’s time for voters to turn out at the polls.
From ABC News:

“Bad as Biden’s enthusiasm score is, we’ve seen worse: As few as 17% of former Republican presidential nominee and Arizona Sen. John McCain’s supporters were very enthusiastic about his candidacy in 2008, and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney saw 23% in 2012. The poor omen for Biden is that Clinton, McCain and Romney all lost.”

While the Fox News poll showed that Biden was leading the president by nine percentage points, it did not take into account voter enthusiasm. Previously, I pointed out that “It is likely that his gaffes and questions about his mental acuity will continue to plague his candidacy.”
It appears that this has already happened, which would explain part of the reason why Biden’s supporters are not passionate about voting for him. It seems probable that while his supporters may prefer Biden, their favorable view of him might not be enough of a motivator for them to show up to cast their votes. Moreover, it may indicate that while they do not like Trump, they don’t have the level of hatred for him to inspire them to vote against him in November.
But, we cannot wholly discount the corporate media, which will do everything they can to ensure a Biden victory. Interestingly enough, the press does not seem to be very enthusiastic about the former vice president either.
So, you can easily see the strategy that the media is already using. They are trying to get the public to hate Trump as much as possible; They seem to think the best bet is to motivate people to vote against the president rather than voting for Biden.
The progressive media establishment has already ramped up its persuasion efforts against the president, especially amid the coronavirus outbreak. As my colleague Stu Cvrk pointed out:
“It’s clear that the Democrats a running a coordinated political smear campaign with their media allies in order to ascribe the coronavirus pandemic, as well as any future American deaths, to President Trump.”
November is still far away, and there is plenty that could happen between now and then. If the results of this poll are any indication, Trump will have a fierce battle ahead, but he is in an advantageous position to emerge victorious.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by bb1961

I'm sure SPEED you can explain this away. As close as the polls are when you look underneath the veneer things don't look good for your boy Quid Pro Quo Joe. You have "tried" to explain away the record crowds and record turnout in the primaries for Trump but this shouldn't surprise you. Chances are the people that say they're voting for ol' Joe might not even vote at all, but the ones that say their voting for Trump chances are they will cast the ballots for him. In politics charisma is every thing...and ol' Joe ain't got it.
The calls from the pollsters to voters many time don't bring them out to cast their ballots when you have little or no enthusiam. That's a real problem for your man ol' Joe.

Poll Shows Trump Slightly Trailing Biden In Support, But Crushing Him In Voter Enthusiasm
Posted at 11:30 am on March 30, 2020 by Jeff Charles

Supporters listen as President Donald Trump speaks at a campaign rally, Thursday, Jan. 9, 2020, in Toledo, Ohio. (AP Photo/ Jacquelyn Martin)


A new ABC/Washington Post poll revealed some noteworthy findings regarding the presidential election. The survey had some good news for Biden, but even better news for President Donald Trump.

For starters, the study found that 51% of Democratic voters prefer Biden while only 42% still back Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) for the nomination. At this point, it is almost certain that the former vice president will secure the nomination.
The poll also revealed that Biden’s lead over Trump has decreased, but he still maintains a slight edge over the president at 49% to 47%. However, this three-point lead is a statistical dead heat between the two candidates. These results show a marked difference from a recent Fox News poll that showed Biden leading the president 49% to 41%. It seems that Trump is quickly closing that gap.

But there was another finding that is worth noting. While Biden’s support is still high, his voter enthusiasm rating is, in a word, abysmal. Only 24% of his supporters indicate “strong enthusiasm” for the former vice president. This pales in comparison to the 53% of Trump supporters who expressed high enthusiasm for supporting the president.

Another key indicator is the attitudes of Sanders supporters. According to the poll, 15% stated that they would support Trump in November if Biden becomes the Democratic nominee.
The results of the poll show are highly favorable when it comes to Trump’s chances for re-election. As ABC News points out, “Strong enthusiasm for a candidate can help boost turnout on Election Day, a must-have particularly for Democrats, who rely more on motivating less-frequent voters to come to the polls.”
Previous elections seem to support ABC News’ assertion. As they noted, Hillary Clinton’s enthusiasm numbers were a mere 32% who said they were “very enthusiastic” in supporting her in September 2016. A low enthusiasm rating can easily spell doom for a presidential candidate when it’s time for voters to turn out at the polls.

From ABC News:

“Bad as Biden’s enthusiasm score is, we’ve seen worse: As few as 17% of former Republican presidential nominee and Arizona Sen. John McCain’s supporters were very enthusiastic about his candidacy in 2008, and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney saw 23% in 2012. The poor omen for Biden is that Clinton, McCain and Romney all lost.”

While the Fox News poll showed that Biden was leading the president by nine percentage points, it did not take into account voter enthusiasm. Previously, I pointed out that “It is likely that his gaffes and questions about his mental acuity will continue to plague his candidacy.”

It appears that this has already happened, which would explain part of the reason why Biden’s supporters are not passionate about voting for him. It seems probable that while his supporters may prefer Biden, their favorable view of him might not be enough of a motivator for them to show up to cast their votes. Moreover, it may indicate that while they do not like Trump, they don’t have the level of hatred for him to inspire them to vote against him in November.

But, we cannot wholly discount the corporate media, which will do everything they can to ensure a Biden victory. Interestingly enough, the press does not seem to be very enthusiastic about the former vice president either.
So, you can easily see the strategy that the media is already using. They are trying to get the public to hate Trump as much as possible; They seem to think the best bet is to motivate people to vote against the president rather than voting for Biden.

The progressive media establishment has already ramped up its persuasion efforts against the president, especially amid the coronavirus outbreak. As my colleague Stu Cvrk pointed out:
“It’s clear that the Democrats a running a coordinated political smear campaign with their media allies in order to ascribe the coronavirus pandemic, as well as any future American deaths, to President Trump.”

November is still far away, and there is plenty that could happen between now and then. If the results of this poll are any indication, Trump will have a fierce battle ahead, but he is in an advantageous position to emerge victorious.

Yes, Biden is not a candidate that Democrats go "Rah-rah" over. He is one Democrats will support at the polls however. I am not paasionate about Biden but I am passionate enough to go vote for him. As will millions of others like me.

Hillary Clinton had similarly low enthusiasm numbers, as stated in the article, and won the popular vote vs. Trump and lost the electoral vote by a few thousand votes over 3 states. In 2018 what drew record Democratic voters to the polls? 49.3% of the voters went to the polls, topped only by the 50.4% turnout in 1914. And the Democratic turnout was especially high and Democrats picked up 40 House seats. Was it because voters were more enthusiastic about the candidates than in previous mid-term elections? Very doubtful. In my opinion it was to express dislike for Trump. Will this enthusiasm among voters to vote out Trump reoccur in 2020? We shall see.

In some polls, like the ABC/Washington Post poll, Trump is doing well and has narrowed the gap. In other polls, like the FOX News poll, he has not. When RealClearPolitics sums up ALL the polls, Biden is ahead by 5,8%. So it comes down to which source of information one chooses to believe most. Usually that depends on one's political leanings. Discount those sources that disagree, tout those sources that agree.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...247.html#polls

And here are a number of sources that are predicting the outcome of the election with electoral votes.

https://www.270towin.com/2020-electi...t-predictions/

There is something you don't understand. I am not saying you are wrong when you look at the very vocal support for Trump and say that is a key to his victory. I'm also not saying you are correct. I am saying there is no way to prove the point either way.

[Unique_Carpenter]

Give any Pres the chance to be openly Presidential, and the polls easily reward that Pres.

[bb1961]

You didn't mention charisma in politics...mini-me spent millions and with his charisma and look what it got him. If, and that is a big if...Bitten gets the nomination his mental state with be on full display...you don't seem to think that stumbling with words not not knowing what is being asked of him will make a difference.
To elect someone who isn't sharp on the issue as the head of the most powerful country in the world than the voters don't have this country's best interest at heart. You keep right on believing that that guy isn't in a state of mental decline...you're only fooling yourself. Just post one article that shares your view on his mental focus not being an issue...you can't. You're one of the very few people who thinks this guy isn't in mental decline.
This kind of proves my point about voters not casting ballots SPEED...I know your going to say that was then this is now. You're right...enthusiasm for bitten is practically dead.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-the-election/


Percentages are rounded. From a survey of 99,377 registered voters and 3,604 registered voters who didn’t vote, conducted from Nov. 9-10, 2016
Source: Surveymonkey
Given how closely party identification tracks with vote choice, the disparity in turnout probably cost Clinton the election. SurveyMonkey did not ask non-voters whom they would have voted for, but we do know that more than 90 percent of self-identified Democrats who cast a ballot voted for Clinton and more than 90 percent of Republicans voted for Trump. Moreover, voters who didn’t identify with or lean towards either party were slightly more likely to prefer Clinton to Trump. That means that had the non-voters cast a ballot in accordance with their party identification, Clinton’s advantage over Trump nationally would have expanded by about 2 to 3 percentage points. That almost certainly would have been enough to flip enough states for her to win the Electoral College.
The large gap in party identification between registered voters who cast a ballot and those who didn’t also helps to explain why pre-election polling underestimated Trump. Pre-election polls suggested that the gap between these two groups would be smaller than in 2012; the SurveyMonkey data suggests it was larger.
The biggest reason given by non-voters for staying home was that they didn’t like the candidates.2 Clinton and Trump both had favorable ratings in the low 30s among registered voters who didn’t cast a ballot — both had ratings in the low 40s among those who did vote. That’s a pretty sizable difference. So why was Clinton hurt more by non-voters? Trump was able to win, in large part, because voters who disliked both candidates favored him in big numbers, according to the exit polls. Clinton, apparently, couldn’t get those who disliked both candidates — and who may have been more favorably disposed to her candidacy — to turn out and vote.
The second pattern that jumps out in the SurveyMonkey data: Non-white and Hispanic Americans were more likely to stay home than white voters.
Of all voters who cast a ballot in the general election, 25 percent were black, Hispanic, Asian, or a member of another minority group. But those voters were 42 percent of those who didn’t vote. Drilling down a little further, black voters made up 11 percent of voters who cast a ballot and 19 percent who didn’t. This disparity really hurt Clinton because black voters (by 82 percentage points) and Hispanic voters (by 40 percentage points) overwhelmingly favored her, while white voters went for Trump by a 16-point margin in the SurveyMonkey poll.
The turnout rate for black voters was substantially higher in 2012, the last time Barack Obama was on the ballot. According to the Census Bureau’s Current Population Survey,3 black Americans made up 13 percent of voters and only 9 percent of registered non-voters in 2012. In other words, black voters actually made up a larger percentage of voters who cast a ballot than those who didn’t in 2012, which is the opposite of what occurred last year. Whites, on the other hand, made up about the same percentage of registered voters who cast a ballot (74 percent) and those who didn’t (73 percent). The higher number of black non-voters in 2016 probably had a big impact.
Next up: Younger voters were more likely to stay home than older voters.
That matches a similar pattern from 2012, according to the Current Population Survey. That probably didn’t help Clinton, but it’s not as harmful as you might think because the difference in voting patterns between the oldest age cohort (a group Trump won by 12 percentage points in the SurveyMonkey data) and youngest (a group Clinton won by 30 percentage points) voters isn’t as large as it is between racial groups. Overall, the age breakdown of 2016 voters looks about the same as four years ago.
More harmful for Clinton was which young voters stayed home: minorities. Among white voters, voters 18-29 years old made up 30 percent of voters who did not participate in the November election. Among young Hispanic voters, that climbs to 43 percent. Among young black voters, it was an even higher 46 percent. That generally matches the findings of the voter data released in some Southern states showing that young black voters were especially likely to stay home in this election. Younger black voters were far more likely to support Bernie Sanders in the primary, suggesting that there simply was not the enthusiasm for Clinton’s candidacy as there was for Obama’s in 2012. Clinton’s favorable rating, for instance, was about 10 percentage points lower among the youngest black voters compared to the oldest black voters in the SurveyMonkey poll.
Perhaps most important is the group that voted in much larger numbers than in 2012: white voters without a college degree. (Trump won this bloc 63 percent to 32 percent.) Generally speaking, college graduates are more likely to vote than non-college graduates, even when controlling for race. According to the Current Population Survey, whites without a college degree made up 44 percent of voters who cast a ballot in 2012, and 58 percent of registered voters who didn’t vote.
These may have been some of the “missing” white voters that RealClearPolitics Sean Trende has written about, but in 2016, they weren’t missing. In the SurveyMonkey data, white non-college graduates made up 48 percent of 2016 registered voters who didn’t vote, substantially lower than 2012. They made up 47 percent of voters. It’s pretty remarkable that a group of voters that is shrinking as a percentage of the population made up a larger share of the electorate in 2016 than in 2012. But Trump made a clear appeal to this group, and some voters who stayed at home in previous years may have felt they had a greater voice in 2016.
Simply put, Trump got more of his voters to turn out than Clinton did. That’s quite a turnaround from the pre-election conventional wisdom that the Clinton campaign had the better turnout machine. Of course, Clinton’s turnout operation may well have nudged many reluctant voters to the polls, but either way, it wasn’t enough. The polling numbers from SurveyMonkey indicate that Clinton was hurt dearly by the voters who decided not to vote.
Harry Enten is a senior political writer and analyst for FiveThirtyEight.

[HoeHummer]

[oeb11]

bb- Thanks - a dense but interesting post.

[bb1961]

Originally Posted by HoseHummer AKA ASSWIPE

I HAVE NO COGENT RESPONSE SO I POST...

Thanks for your honestly ASSWIPE!!

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by Unique_Carpenter

Give any Pres the chance to be openly Presidential, and the polls easily reward that Pres.

That is very true. Bush's approval rating soared into the 90s after 9-11.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by bb1961

You didn't mention charisma in politics...mini-me spent millions and with his charisma and look what it got him. If, and that is a big if...Bitten gets the nomination his mental state with be on full display...you don't seem to think that stumbling with words not not knowing what is being asked of him will make a difference.
To elect someone who isn't sharp on the issue as the head of the most powerful country in the world than the voters don't have this country's best interest at heart. You keep right on believing that that guy isn't in a state of mental decline...you're only fooling yourself. Just post one article that shares your view on his mental focus not being an issue...you can't. You're one of the very few people who thinks this guy isn't in mental decline.
This kind of proves my point about voters not casting ballots SPEED...I know your going to say that was then this is now. You're right...enthusiasm for bitten is practically dead.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-the-election/


Percentages are rounded. From a survey of 99,377 registered voters and 3,604 registered voters who didn’t vote, conducted from Nov. 9-10, 2016
Source: Surveymonkey
Given how closely party identification tracks with vote choice, the disparity in turnout probably cost Clinton the election. SurveyMonkey did not ask non-voters whom they would have voted for, but we do know that more than 90 percent of self-identified Democrats who cast a ballot voted for Clinton and more than 90 percent of Republicans voted for Trump. Moreover, voters who didn’t identify with or lean towards either party were slightly more likely to prefer Clinton to Trump. That means that had the non-voters cast a ballot in accordance with their party identification, Clinton’s advantage over Trump nationally would have expanded by about 2 to 3 percentage points. That almost certainly would have been enough to flip enough states for her to win the Electoral College.
The large gap in party identification between registered voters who cast a ballot and those who didn’t also helps to explain why pre-election polling underestimated Trump. Pre-election polls suggested that the gap between these two groups would be smaller than in 2012; the SurveyMonkey data suggests it was larger.
The biggest reason given by non-voters for staying home was that they didn’t like the candidates.2 Clinton and Trump both had favorable ratings in the low 30s among registered voters who didn’t cast a ballot — both had ratings in the low 40s among those who did vote. That’s a pretty sizable difference. So why was Clinton hurt more by non-voters? Trump was able to win, in large part, because voters who disliked both candidates favored him in big numbers, according to the exit polls. Clinton, apparently, couldn’t get those who disliked both candidates — and who may have been more favorably disposed to her candidacy — to turn out and vote.
The second pattern that jumps out in the SurveyMonkey data: Non-white and Hispanic Americans were more likely to stay home than white voters.
Of all voters who cast a ballot in the general election, 25 percent were black, Hispanic, Asian, or a member of another minority group. But those voters were 42 percent of those who didn’t vote. Drilling down a little further, black voters made up 11 percent of voters who cast a ballot and 19 percent who didn’t. This disparity really hurt Clinton because black voters (by 82 percentage points) and Hispanic voters (by 40 percentage points) overwhelmingly favored her, while white voters went for Trump by a 16-point margin in the SurveyMonkey poll.
The turnout rate for black voters was substantially higher in 2012, the last time Barack Obama was on the ballot. According to the Census Bureau’s Current Population Survey,3 black Americans made up 13 percent of voters and only 9 percent of registered non-voters in 2012. In other words, black voters actually made up a larger percentage of voters who cast a ballot than those who didn’t in 2012, which is the opposite of what occurred last year. Whites, on the other hand, made up about the same percentage of registered voters who cast a ballot (74 percent) and those who didn’t (73 percent). The higher number of black non-voters in 2016 probably had a big impact.
Next up: Younger voters were more likely to stay home than older voters.
That matches a similar pattern from 2012, according to the Current Population Survey. That probably didn’t help Clinton, but it’s not as harmful as you might think because the difference in voting patterns between the oldest age cohort (a group Trump won by 12 percentage points in the SurveyMonkey data) and youngest (a group Clinton won by 30 percentage points) voters isn’t as large as it is between racial groups. Overall, the age breakdown of 2016 voters looks about the same as four years ago.
More harmful for Clinton was which young voters stayed home: minorities. Among white voters, voters 18-29 years old made up 30 percent of voters who did not participate in the November election. Among young Hispanic voters, that climbs to 43 percent. Among young black voters, it was an even higher 46 percent. That generally matches the findings of the voter data released in some Southern states showing that young black voters were especially likely to stay home in this election. Younger black voters were far more likely to support Bernie Sanders in the primary, suggesting that there simply was not the enthusiasm for Clinton’s candidacy as there was for Obama’s in 2012. Clinton’s favorable rating, for instance, was about 10 percentage points lower among the youngest black voters compared to the oldest black voters in the SurveyMonkey poll.
Perhaps most important is the group that voted in much larger numbers than in 2012: white voters without a college degree. (Trump won this bloc 63 percent to 32 percent.) Generally speaking, college graduates are more likely to vote than non-college graduates, even when controlling for race. According to the Current Population Survey, whites without a college degree made up 44 percent of voters who cast a ballot in 2012, and 58 percent of registered voters who didn’t vote.
These may have been some of the “missing” white voters that RealClearPolitics Sean Trende has written about, but in 2016, they weren’t missing. In the SurveyMonkey data, white non-college graduates made up 48 percent of 2016 registered voters who didn’t vote, substantially lower than 2012. They made up 47 percent of voters. It’s pretty remarkable that a group of voters that is shrinking as a percentage of the population made up a larger share of the electorate in 2016 than in 2012. But Trump made a clear appeal to this group, and some voters who stayed at home in previous years may have felt they had a greater voice in 2016.
Simply put, Trump got more of his voters to turn out than Clinton did. That’s quite a turnaround from the pre-election conventional wisdom that the Clinton campaign had the better turnout machine. Of course, Clinton’s turnout operation may well have nudged many reluctant voters to the polls, but either way, it wasn’t enough. The polling numbers from SurveyMonkey indicate that Clinton was hurt dearly by the voters who decided not to vote.
Harry Enten is a senior political writer and analyst for FiveThirtyEight.

I am not as worried about Biden's mental state as many Trump supporters are. I don't know if he committed this many gaffes 10 or so years ago or is this a new occurance. What I do know is that Biden leads Trump in polls at a national level and is either ahead or within the margin or error in the battleground states. Obviously voters in these polls do not seem negatively impacted by Biden's gaffes.

The article you cite is correct in my opinion. Clinton lost the 2016 election because she was unable to get out the African American voters who routinely support the Democratic candidates in volume. What you should understand is Biden is much more popular among AA voters than Clinton and I will bet that their turnout in 2020 surpasses their turnout in 2016. Biden needs to work on those young voters who would vote for Sanders. In the 2018 midterms, Democratic voters turned out much more than Republican voters. Obviously Trump was not on the ballot and the turnout for presidential elections is around 60%, as opposed to the 50% turnout in 2018, which was incredibly high.

As I keep saying --I expect the 2020 election to be as close as the 2016 election. Trump will not win in a landslide. I predict he will win less electoral votes than he did in 2016. Enough to lose in 2020? I don't know.

[oeb11]

lots of discussion - bottom line -as in the Nov 2016 election - we do not know until the day after balloting.

Agreed!

[bb1961]

Originally Posted by SpeedRacerXXX

I am not as worried about Biden's mental state as many Trump supporters are. I don't know if he committed this many gaffes 10 or so years ago or is this a new occurance. What I do know is that Biden leads Trump in polls at a national level and is either ahead or within the margin or error in the battleground states. Obviously voters in these polls do not seem negatively impacted by Biden's gaffes.

The article you cite is correct in my opinion. Clinton lost the 2016 election because she was unable to get out the African American voters who routinely support the Democratic candidates in volume. What you should understand is Biden is much more popular among AA voters than Clinton and I will bet that their turnout in 2020 surpasses their turnout in 2016. Biden needs to work on those young voters who would vote for Sanders. In the 2018 midterms, Democratic voters turned out much more than Republican voters. Obviously Trump was not on the ballot and the turnout for presidential elections is around 60%, as opposed to the 50% turnout in 2018, which was incredibly high.

As I keep saying --I expect the 2020 election to be as close as the 2016 election. Trump will not win in a landslide. I predict he will win less electoral votes than he did in 2016. Enough to lose in 2020? I don't know.

A mensa member like you not in the least bit concerned with his cognitive skills is hard to understand, just look at the recent videos he has posted they progressively deteriorate but you can't see that...NONSENSE and a completely sad dogging of the FACTS.

And the debates in 2020 won't matter as you said they did in 2016....very convenient of you.
If ol' Joe continues in his downward mental spiral you'll cringe during the debates but that won't matter to the undecided...what kind of analysis is that SPEED.

You're good at posting things you find on the internet, but aren't you having any luck at finding ANYTHING in regard to bitten metal state...I guess if it doesn't fit your narrative you won't.
I would post dozens of stories, not from the right but from the left with there concern about his cognitive abilities but you could easily explain them away. Have you scene any bitten videos lately because they are clearly showing his mental decline. Just post ONE story that doesn't question his mental state of decline. You can't SPEED...please spin this.

Just an ol' google search anyone can do SPEED...you might want to give it a try sometime...and you say that his senility isn't in question...take your pick SPEED I have provided a couple dozen sources form BOTH sides of the political spectrum. You say 10 or so years ago...try within the LAST FEW WEEKS. I won't stop calling your blind nonsense out, I will illustrate your absurdity with the FACTS. Video's don't lie SPEED...watch a few!!



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Jan 15, 2020
In 2018, former Vice President Joe Biden called himself a "gaffe machine," and at Tuesday night's ...

[oeb11]

It is really a shame the DNC is so committed to Biden - despite his obvious mental non-capacity for the office of POTUS.

The question is - why.
Are thy just trying to keep Bernie at bay, or hope to put a Progressive Socialist in as VP to be elevated to POTUS- if Biden won. Is H... waiting in the wings for a brokered convention nomination - pulling strings with the DNC. The DNC surely does not believe the most hated woman in America could win a re-match with Trump.
I don't know - and the leftist DPST mind is opaque to me - and a fact-based approach to life and the political scene.

Open to discussion.



ftw can go ahead and post his "lies" whine!!!

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by bb1961

A mensa member like you not in the least bit concerned with his cognitive skills is hard to understand, just look at the recent videos he has posted they progressively deteriorate but you can't see that...NONSENSE and a completely sad dogging of the FACTS.

And the debates in 2020 won't matter as you said they did in 2016....very convenient of you.
If ol' Joe continues in his downward mental spiral you'll cringe during the debates but that won't matter to the undecided...what kind of analysis is that SPEED.

You're good at posting things you find on the internet, but aren't you having any luck at finding ANYTHING in regard to bitten metal state...I guess if it doesn't fit your narrative you won't.
I would post dozens of stories, not from the right but from the left with there concern about his cognitive abilities but you could easily explain them away. Have you scene any bitten videos lately because they are clearly showing his mental decline. Just post ONE story that doesn't question his mental state of decline. You can't SPEED...please spin this.

Just an ol' google search anyone can do SPEED...you might want to give it a try sometime...and you say that his senility isn't in question...take your pick SPEED I have provided a couple dozen sources form BOTH sides of the political spectrum. You say 10 or so years ago...try within the LAST FEW WEEKS. I won't stop calling your blind nonsense out, I will illustrate your absurdity with the FACTS. Video's don't lie SPEED...watch a few!!

Thank you for taking the time to post so many instances of those believing Biden is getting senile very quickly. I don't think I have ever said that Joe Biden does not have some sort of mental problems. What I have said, to OEB in one case, is that until Biden undergoes tests to make such determinations, it is unfair to state that, beyond a shadow of a doubt, Biden has onset dementia.

I will continue to point out that despite all the instances cited, Biden is well ahead of Trump in polls at the national level.

In the latest posted polls on 538, a poll by Seltzer & Company has Trump's approval rating even, but has him trailing Biden by 4% in the general election. A poll by Ipsos has Biden leading Trump by 6%, up from 1% in their last poll. Morning Consult has Biden +4. Harris poll has Biden +10!!!!! Unfortunately little polling is being done at the all important state level at this time.

Maybe the polls cited are oversampling Democratic voters, but if they are sampling fairly it does not seem as though Biden's perceived declining mental state is negatively impacting him at this time. Let's let the voters decide.

[Jacuzzme]

His gaffes aren’t the problem, he is clearly early stage Alzheimers. Biden’s family allowing him to campaign is elder abuse, they are heartless.

[oeb11]

J- +1!!
This is a charade by the DNC to nominate a man so obviously incompetent for POTUS!
Shows how poor and untalented the rest of the Fascist SDPST 's- as Bernie - Are!