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guest043013-2 · 04-13-2011, 08:15 AM

This thread in the business services forum had me wondering. Not going to do a poll, but out of curiosity, how many guys would opt to not see a gal if they knew she had a driver was going to be showing up on his doorstep?

http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=205184

I for one screen the ladies who see me as carefuly if not more carefully than they screen me. If a driver is part of the package, I sure hope the reviews are giving me that information. But how do I screen the driver to make sure he will not be blackmailing me in 3 months.

If I am seeing a provider, I am breaking the law, as well as many moral values of society. The lady is doing he same. We both have something to lose. The driver can sit back in his pimp mobile, oops, taxicab, claim he has done nothing wrong, but threaten to blackmail me just the same.

Guess, by the same token, how many ladies have a "driver" who is not really just a pimp with car keys.

Tiffany Cums · 04-13-2011, 08:32 AM

I am an anti-driver provider....I don't see the point in having a driver and If I was a hobbiest I would choose not to see a provider useing one. You just do not know who that driver is and what their purpose is.

Naomi4u · 04-13-2011, 08:43 AM

I have always thought driver meant pimp but I do understand that some people don't have cars for whatever reason. I drive myself always.

Maggie McNeill · 04-13-2011, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Naomi4u

I have always thought driver meant pimp but I do understand that some people don't have cars for whatever reason. I drive myself always.

Many people labor under that error, Naomi, which is one reason people think pimps are far more common that they actually are. In some cities where parking is difficult, a driver is almost as necessary as a cell phone.

And to the OP: Not to make you paranoid, but if the girl runs her business correctly you may never know whether she has a driver or not, or whether she uses him or her always, often or rarely. And frankly, if you feel you're doing something "wrong", I suggest you find a hobby which inflicts less guilt.

Naomi4u · 04-13-2011, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by AngelOK

Many people labor under that error, Naomi, which is one reason people think pimps are far more common that they actually are. In some cities where parking is difficult, a driver is almost as necessary as a cell phone.

Oh I can most definitely understand that.

charlestudor2005 · 04-13-2011, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by AngelOK

And to the OP: Not to make you paranoid, but if the girl runs her business correctly you may never know whether she has a driver or not, or whether she uses him or her always, often or rarely. And frankly, if you feel you're doing something "wrong", I suggest you find a hobby which inflicts less guilt.

As usual, some people don't give a fuck about hobbyist legitimate concerns. There's enough instances of hobbyists being beaten for the cash out there (just as there is for the ladies), that this is a realistic fear.

It's obvious from this post the only side with which one is concerned is the hooker side. The client side of the concern seems to be always marginalized.

guest043013-2 · 04-13-2011, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by AngelOK

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And to the OP: Not to make you paranoid, but if the girl runs her business correctly you may never know whether she has a driver or not, or whether she uses him or her always, often or rarely. And frankly, if you feel you're doing something "wrong", I suggest you find a hobby which inflicts less guilt.

Couple of comments:

Do a search on post by "tigercat" that use the word paranoid. I beleive that a good dose of paranoia is a good thing. Without it, a hobbyist or a provider takes unnecessary risks. If I should be called the "paranoid hobbyist", so be it.

As far as "doing something wrong," I referred to the moral values of society. You may me shocked to learn that many of the guys you see have families, jobs, and friends who would not approve of their participation here and that a serious negative impact would arise if their activities were to come to light. I seem to remember a couple of politicians who suffered some negative impact to their careers after certain activities came to light.

And Charles, thank you for your post as well.

offshoredrilling · 04-13-2011, 09:37 AM

Driver! been there, done that, it was fun. Rather be the hobbyist

Cpalmson · 04-13-2011, 10:02 AM

Personally, I would shy away from a provider if I knew she had a driver. I definitely would not use a provider who had a driver and the date was at a private residence. I could probably accept a driver situation if the date was to a hotel, but I'd still be cautious.

As for the blackmail angle, I think that is a bit far fetched. From a criminal law perspective, a driver would be a heresay witness; therefore, not permitted in court. He would have to see any illegal activity in order to be a witness. As for pure blackmail purposes, it cuts both ways. Word will get out that the gal has a driver who blackmails. That provider will quickly get blacklisted, so having a blackmailing driver is just not good for business.

Allie_Kat · 04-13-2011, 12:37 PM

What if the driver was another provider? I've driven other providers who had no license or car troubles and have sat in the living room enjoying a beverage and full use of the remote control and TV. And of course I've been asked to join...

charlestudor2005 · 04-13-2011, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Allie_Kat

What if the driver was another provider? I've driven other providers who had no license or car troubles and have sat in the living room enjoying a beverage and full use of the remote control and TV. And of course I've been asked to join...

I think that breaches the "discreet" nature of the meeting unless the client agrees ahead of time. What if the client never called you (even tho he might want to) because he knows you in RL?

Allie_Kat · 04-13-2011, 12:51 PM

It was always agreed ahead of time. Permission is always asked. I agree that it would be rude to just drag another provider up to the door with you and ask if it was all right if she waits inside. LOL.

guest043013-2 · 04-13-2011, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cpalmson

Personally, I would shy away from a provider if I knew she had a driver. I definitely would not use a provider who had a driver and the date was at a private residence. I could probably accept a driver situation if the date was to a hotel, but I'd still be cautious.

As for the blackmail angle, I think that is a bit far fetched. From a criminal law perspective, a driver would be a heresay witness; therefore, not permitted in court. He would have to see any illegal activity in order to be a witness. As for pure blackmail purposes, it cuts both ways. Word will get out that the gal has a driver who blackmails. That provider will quickly get blacklisted, so having a blackmailing driver is just not good for business.

At the point that we start talking blackmail, I am screwed. I doubt many of our SOs understand the finer point of hearsay evidence, and fewer still give a rat's ass.

The problems can arise long before you are looking at criminal charges.

acp5762 · 04-13-2011, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Allie_Kat

What if the driver was another provider? I've driven other providers who had no license or car troubles and have sat in the living room enjoying a beverage and full use of the remote control and TV. And of course I've been asked to join...

That would be interesting. If a provider I had invited to my house disclosed this and filled me in about the fact her driver was indeed a provider and would appreciate me allowing her to sit in my living room or hanging around my house or joining in or whatever, I would still have to give that some thought. lets face it there are all kinds of agendas out there when it comes to this so called hobby. Nobody really knows anybody that well. While you're being occupied the female driver could be scoping out your residence maybe even looking at your mail ya got laying around gathering info about you for which could be used in identy theft. iam not trying sound cynical but everyone here is so saftey conscienous it goes much further than is she LE or Bait and switch. I say if it can reasonably be thought about it can happen. If it can happen, it has happened. But their is one thing I won't have and that is car idleing in my driveway for an hour or so with some dude sittin in it. This sort of hobby has way to many variables to whatch out for. Verified provider doesn't mean she's an Angel. I called a provider once a guy answers the phone. I just told him I had the wrong number. I don't think in this day of internet, cell phones, GPS, all this technology does an escort need a pimp or any other second party involved in her endeavor in this buisness. If her car has broken down and she needs a ride and doesn't have an incall that needs to be explained and well to a potential client especially if you are meeting at his residence.

guest043013-2 · 04-13-2011, 05:42 PM

A provider who was a driver for the lady I was seeing would have to pass the same screening I would give to the original provider. Granted, if my original provider was vouching for her, she would have one step ahead of the game.