Welcome to ECCIE, become a part of the fastest growing adult community. Take a minute & sign up!

Welcome to ECCIE - Sign up today!

Become a part of one of the fastest growing adult communities online. We have something for you, whether you’re a male member seeking out new friends or a new lady on the scene looking to take advantage of our many opportunities to network, make new friends, or connect with people. Join today & take part in lively discussions, take advantage of all the great features that attract hundreds of new daily members!

Go Premium

Go Back   ECCIE Worldwide > General Interest > The Sandbox - National
test
The Sandbox - National The Sandbox is a collection of off-topic discussions. Humorous threads, Sports talk, and a wide variety of other topics can be found here.

Most Favorited Images
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
Most Liked Images
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
Top Reviewers
cockalatte 649
MoneyManMatt 490
Still Looking 399
samcruz 399
Jon Bon 397
Harley Diablo 377
honest_abe 362
DFW_Ladies_Man 313
Chung Tran 288
lupegarland 287
nicemusic 285
You&Me 281
Starscream66 280
George Spelvin 267
sharkman29 256
Top Posters
DallasRain70799
biomed163389
Yssup Rider61083
gman4453297
LexusLover51038
offshoredrilling48712
WTF48267
pyramider46370
bambino42885
The_Waco_Kid37233
CryptKicker37224
Mokoa36496
Chung Tran36100
Still Looking35944
Mojojo33117

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 03-23-2012, 01:38 PM   #61
Wakeup
Valerie's Mod Husband
 
Wakeup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 13, 2010
Location: Houston
Posts: 28,030
Encounters: 4
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy View Post
So you're saying that the law, when correctly interpreted, allows unarmed individuals to be shot dead by citizens after being told to stand down by law enforcement. I really don't think that is the case.
There are so many things wrong with that sentence it's hard to know where to start...

1) "Correctly interpreted" by who? You? By the authors of the bill? By God? By Nancy Grace? By the millions of Internet wanna be activists who sign petitions? There is no such thing as "correct interpretation" in law, there is only "interpretation by precedent" of a jury or a court after the fact. The lawmakers have all come out publicly and said that the intent of their law wasn't meant to protect this action. Intent when it's passed is irrelevant, it's what the letter of the law says that's important.

2) Unarmed meaning unthreatening in your book? I had a guy grab my rifle and try to wrest it from me when I came around a corner in a house. He grappled it to the side where I couldn't use it and grabbed my neck with his other hand. I had absolutely no compunction about shooting him with my pistol three times in the stomach after I drew it. Unarmed is irrelevant to threat level...it's incredibly easy to main or kill without weapons...

3) Being told that it was unnecessary to follow him has absolutely nothing to do with the law. The law only cares about what happened during the confrontation. In fact, if the police had directly ordered him NOT to follow him and NOT to physically touch him, the law would still protect him if he felt an imminent threat to his life, regardless of how the incident started. Again, this may not be the intent of the original lawmakers, but it's the letter of the law as written.

The only facts are that the kid is dead and the person who killed him says that he was in fear for his life. He's presumed innocent until proven guilty, and there are no facts that can possibly prove that he didn't FEEL in danger for his life. Everything will be circumstantial if this farce even manages to come to trial, but until it does, and until a verdict is rendered, the law stands on its wording and on previous precedent only as "interpretation".


P.S.-COG, I can't believe you of all people are arguing this...how many countless threads have you started RIGHT HERE about how pissed off you are that the wording of the NDAA allows so many things that the "intent" of the law should never allow? You should know how this "correctly interpreted" shit works dude...
Wakeup is offline   Quote
Old 03-23-2012, 01:59 PM   #62
CuteOldGuy
Valued Poster
 
CuteOldGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 20, 2010
Location: Wichita
Posts: 28,730
Encounters: 20
Default

Never mind, Wakeup. Your reputation is intact.
CuteOldGuy is offline   Quote
Old 03-23-2012, 02:11 PM   #63
Wakeup
Valerie's Mod Husband
 
Wakeup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 13, 2010
Location: Houston
Posts: 28,030
Encounters: 4
Default

Of course my reputation is intact, why would anything I said here change that? Does my reputation (as perceived by you) have anything to do with what I just said?
Wakeup is offline   Quote
Old 03-23-2012, 02:21 PM   #64
JD Barleycorn
Valued Poster
 
JD Barleycorn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 12, 2011
Location: Olathe
Posts: 16,815
Encounters: 54
Default

My latest response is not to say this law covers this situation. It is to demonstrate the ignorance some of the posters have here. It is not an "old"law like someone posted and it does not allow someone to shoot an unarmed person as a couple of others have posted. If you read the link it will tell you the roots of the law.
JD Barleycorn is offline   Quote
Old 03-23-2012, 02:40 PM   #65
Wakeup
Valerie's Mod Husband
 
Wakeup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 13, 2010
Location: Houston
Posts: 28,030
Encounters: 4
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn View Post
...it does not allow someone to shoot an unarmed person...
Wrong...
Wakeup is offline   Quote
Old 03-23-2012, 02:43 PM   #66
CuteOldGuy
Valued Poster
 
CuteOldGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 20, 2010
Location: Wichita
Posts: 28,730
Encounters: 20
Default

How is it wrong, pray tell, Oh wakeup?
CuteOldGuy is offline   Quote
Old 03-23-2012, 02:51 PM   #67
texasjohn1965
manposse
 
texasjohn1965's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 28, 2009
Location: Htown, SA, DFW
Posts: 3,408
Encounters: 4
Default

Because an attacker does not have to be armed to kill you.
texasjohn1965 is offline   Quote
Old 03-23-2012, 03:03 PM   #68
Wakeup
Valerie's Mod Husband
 
Wakeup's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 13, 2010
Location: Houston
Posts: 28,030
Encounters: 4
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by texasjohn1965 View Post
Because an attacker does not have to be armed to kill you.
Yep. Even more to the point as stated in my post above. Whether or not a person is armed is irrelevant to whether or not someone feels in danger of their life. Picture the classic movie scenario. I'm on the ground, you're choking me and I'm about to die, but my gun that I dropped is just within my reach and I grab it and shoot you...

The statute in Florida never mentions weapons at all.
Wakeup is offline   Quote
Old 03-23-2012, 06:28 PM   #69
Grifter
Valued Poster
 
Join Date: Mar 22, 2010
Location: New Braunfels
Posts: 641
Encounters: 33
Default

SANFORD, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35) - Investigators with the Sanford Police Department are still trying to figure out exactly what happened during an altercation which resulted in a fatal shooting in the Twin Lakes area. The shooting happened just after 7 p.m. Sunday evening on Twin Trees Lane. A man who witnessed part of the altercation contacted authorities.
"The guy on the bottom, who had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, 'Help! Help!' and I told him to stop, and I was calling 911," said the witness, who asked to be identified only by his first name, John.
John said he locked his patio door, ran upstairs and heard at least one gun shot.
"And then, when I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on the top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point."


Read more: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news...#ixzz1pzAQgNcw
Grifter is offline   Quote
Old 03-23-2012, 07:10 PM   #70
pantsontheground
BANNED
 
pantsontheground's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 1, 2012
Location: A weird city
Posts: 178
Encounters: 3
Default

Exactly right, grifter. The mainstream media is pathetic in how they crucified George zimmerman. It would be poetic justice if some of these reporters were killed by those they coddle and glorify.
pantsontheground is offline   Quote
Old 03-23-2012, 07:14 PM   #71
CuteOldGuy
Valued Poster
 
CuteOldGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 20, 2010
Location: Wichita
Posts: 28,730
Encounters: 20
Default

We don't need that kind of poetic justice. Simple justice will handle the situation quite nicely. Once it is applied.
CuteOldGuy is offline   Quote
Old 03-23-2012, 07:24 PM   #72
pantsontheground
BANNED
 
pantsontheground's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 1, 2012
Location: A weird city
Posts: 178
Encounters: 3
Default

Now is a great time to be a criminal, especially if you're not white. If you get caught, you won't get much of a punishment, and you have the media to glorify you and make excuses for you, and demonize those who speak out, or act out, against crime.
pantsontheground is offline   Quote
Old 03-23-2012, 08:22 PM   #73
Jackie S
Valued Poster
 
Join Date: Mar 31, 2010
Location: Houston
Posts: 15,054
Encounters: 15
Default

Why hasn't any of this been reported by the major news outlets?
Jackie S is offline   Quote
Old 03-23-2012, 08:31 PM   #74
pantsontheground
BANNED
 
pantsontheground's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 1, 2012
Location: A weird city
Posts: 178
Encounters: 3
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackie S View Post
Why hasn't any of this been reported by the major news outlets?
The story itself, or the details that vindicate zimmerman? The story itself is everywhere. The details....... Well, you can't expect major news outlets to do that.
pantsontheground is offline   Quote
Old 03-23-2012, 08:51 PM   #75
Jackie S
Valued Poster
 
Join Date: Mar 31, 2010
Location: Houston
Posts: 15,054
Encounters: 15
Default

The part that would collaborate Zimmerman's self defense claim.

But even at that, he has to get past the part where the 9-11 operator advised him not to pursue the issue.

The Grand Jury will sort all of this out.
Jackie S is offline   Quote
Reply

Thread Tools


AMPReviews.net
Find Ladies
Hot Women

Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright © 2009 - 2016, ECCIE Worldwide, All Rights Reserved