PREDICTION ON COMING ELECTORAL LANDSLIDE.....

[CuteOldGuy]

Brings up a good question. Should candidates pander to our lowest values, or appeal to our better angels? Aren't they supposed to be leaders? To inspire excellence in the country?

[Doove]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Brings up a good question. Should candidates pander to our lowest values, or appeal to our better angels?

I'm guessing you don't see the irony in your saying that.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by Doove

I'm guessing you don't see the irony in your saying that.

I came thiiiiiis close to making the same statement

[dilbert firestorm]

Originally Posted by LovingKayla

Any democrats that support Allen West?

I read an article that states that democrat supporters are terrified of him and are spending millions of dollars to defeat West.

I'm thinking, they are not spending their money wisely.

[dilbert firestorm]

fellas, try living in the 1700 & 1800's, the negative slander was way worse than it is today. you had one candidate that called another candiate's wife a whore/a loose woman or something like that. it was that nasty.

what we got today is under-nasty.

[dilbert firestorm]

this is a battle between lukewarm (romney) vs bad (obama).

I'm not voting for romney. I don't think he will do what he has do to.

so prolly Obama will win, but I don't think it will be decisive some here think.

I'm betting that if either bad candidate wins, they won't get 51+%, but in likely in the high 40's.

this is bascially what happen to Clinton in the 2 elections he won in. He never got over 51% of the votes. He got something like between 45-48% of the popular vote.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

Brings up a good question. Should candidates pander to our lowest values, or appeal to our better angels? Aren't they supposed to be leaders? To inspire excellence in the country?

You have to get elected to lead!

That is why you have to lie to most voters that know very little about politics. Both sides want something for nothing. So they wind up lying to get elected.

No matter who wins, half the country will be pissed.

I'm with IB, other than the SC Justices appointments, it really does not matter who wins but those matter in a big big way.

I still haven't figured out why Sandra Day retired when she did....

[Whirlaway]

Your a lost soul; when you find a better form of political government, one that doesn't involve elections, candidates, political parties, etc., let us know.

[dilbert firestorm]

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I still haven't figured out why Sandra Day retired when she did....[/QUOTE]

Her husband was sick with something. I guess she wanted to spend more time with him.

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by WTF

You have to get elected to lead!

That is why you have to lie to most voters that know very little about politics. Both sides want something for nothing. So they wind up lying to get elected.

No matter who wins, half the country will be pissed.

I'm with IB, other than the SC Justices appointments, it really does not matter who wins but those matter in a big big way.

I still haven't figured out why Sandra Day retired when she did....

You know what you get when you vote for leaders who lie? Lying leaders.

I'm tired of that crap. A candidate says something, so you decide to vote for him/her, then it turns out they were lying. We are supposed to reward that with re-election? Obama's lies from 2008 are almost too numerous to count. He even had me fooled, I really thought he was going to be a different kind of President. In one respect, I was right. He has taken lying and corruption to whole new level. And I am very disappointed that actually believed a lot of the shit he promised: Transparency, cutting the deficit, restoring honor abroad, closing Gitmo, ending the wars. But they were all lies.

Even though Romney is horrible, I would vote for him over Obama for that reason alone. I won't reward Obama with a second term because he won his first one on false pretenses. Instead of being open and transparent like he promised, he is a liar and corrupt.

He can blame Bush for the economic mess (he's wrong, but he can do it), but he can't blame Bush for his own lies and corruption. Those are his alone, and they are wrong, even though Bush was a corrupt liar, too. Obama doesn't get a pass because his predecessor was nearly as bad as he is.

But I really can't vote for Romney either. He has tossed everything I value overboard. I suppose there is a slight chance that he will make better appointments to the SCOTUS, but the Democrats will filibuster anyone with any integrity, and Romney has shown no indication that he would appoint anyone who supports the Constitution. All we need is another John Roberts, who only wanted to be on the Court so he could go to the fanciest parties in DC. God, what a wasted appointment he turned out to be.

So, yeah. Regardless of the outcome, half the country will be pissed. However, the entire country will be screwed. The half that is happy about the election outcome will be surprised when they realize that is true.

So, they will both lie to get elected. Where does that leave the voter? We have to choose between two candidates who know they have to lie to us to get elected. How doe make a choice, when we can't believe what they say? How is it that we have backed ourselves into this corner where the only candidates that are "electable" are the ones we can't trust to keep their promises once in office? How the hell did we get here?

We have met the enemy, and he is us.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

We have met the enemy, and he is us.

Yup, you're right. People like you are the enemy.

[Whirlaway]

COG, it is a shame you don't get it that Romney is serious about our debt/spending time bomb...that is what the Ryan pick is all about!

[Whirlaway]

The Ryan pick was ideological and not driven by electoral vote counting; a good sign Romney is confident of their internal polling showing leads in the swing States!!!!!

[Laz]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

You know what you get when you vote for leaders who lie? Lying leaders.

I'm tired of that crap. A candidate says something, so you decide to vote for him/her, then it turns out they were lying. We are supposed to reward that with re-election? Obama's lies from 2008 are almost too numerous to count. He even had me fooled, I really thought he was going to be a different kind of President. In one respect, I was right. He has taken lying and corruption to whole new level. And I am very disappointed that actually believed a lot of the shit he promised: Transparency, cutting the deficit, restoring honor abroad, closing Gitmo, ending the wars. But they were all lies.

Even though Romney is horrible, I would vote for him over Obama for that reason alone. I won't reward Obama with a second term because he won his first one on false pretenses. Instead of being open and transparent like he promised, he is a liar and corrupt.

He can blame Bush for the economic mess (he's wrong, but he can do it), but he can't blame Bush for his own lies and corruption. Those are his alone, and they are wrong, even though Bush was a corrupt liar, too. Obama doesn't get a pass because his predecessor was nearly as bad as he is.

But I really can't vote for Romney either. He has tossed everything I value overboard. I suppose there is a slight chance that he will make better appointments to the SCOTUS, but the Democrats will filibuster anyone with any integrity, and Romney has shown no indication that he would appoint anyone who supports the Constitution. All we need is another John Roberts, who only wanted to be on the Court so he could go to the fanciest parties in DC. God, what a wasted appointment he turned out to be.

So, yeah. Regardless of the outcome, half the country will be pissed. However, the entire country will be screwed. The half that is happy about the election outcome will be surprised when they realize that is true.

So, they will both lie to get elected. Where does that leave the voter? We have to choose between two candidates who know they have to lie to us to get elected. How doe make a choice, when we can't believe what they say? How is it that we have backed ourselves into this corner where the only candidates that are "electable" are the ones we can't trust to keep their promises once in office? How the hell did we get here?

We have met the enemy, and he is us.

I agree with almost all of this. Where I have a problem is that, while Gary Johnson might be a good choice, most of what he would want will never get through congress. Romney and Ryan will not balance the budget as fast as necessary but if we send enough tea party republicans to Congress they will hopefully hold his feet to the fire. Congress is the most important factor here. We just need someone that will go along with spending cuts in the White House. You know Obama is not that person.

Voting for Johnson may make you feel good but it risks accomplishing anything. Obama is NOT Clinton. I do not see him trying to work with anyone he disagrees with. I wish we could get the republican Congress of the 90's and Clinton back.

The one thing I agree with most that you stated is that when this blows up in our face we have no one to blame but ourselves. The people voted for these idiots or they would not be there. If we quit voting for liars we would stop getting liars in office. It almost feels silly saying that after I advocated voting for the lesser liar of two liars.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Laz

or they would not be there. If we quit voting for liars we would stop getting liars in office. It almost feels silly saying that after I advocated voting for the lesser liar of two liars.

I like that phrase Laz!

Lesser liar of two liars seems to be in the eye of the beholder!