Big difference between a Hobbyist (my type of guy) and an Impulsivist (bp quickie type)

[fine dimes21]

The BP guys aren't going to book multiple hrs or even an overnighter regardless.
Hobbyists would consider that if they have a great time and I have done it before only with gals I click with.

That is my thoughts on those gals. If you are looking for a good length of time to hang out, I wouldn't seek out BP.

[Hermosa]

I must be feeling a little edgy today. Now Bella, i wound never insult or question a pretty lady such as you. However, I'm getting a sneaky feeling this post is really a meant to simply say your out there? I agree with you about haggling over price (something I would think any guy with class would never do). I would think that any provider I see would make me the center of her attention while I'm there. I would expect that she would be clean and use proper hygiene practices as I would. So, what makes you consider you VIP? Most of us guys will select a GFE as paramount. Is it because of donation? I don't consider your donation overly expensive. I've had some very wonderful experiences with beautiful ladies who had a lot of class, who made me feel like a million dollars, and provided everything I could hope for. Some were less than your rate, some were more. The price was never the issue, it was them and their service that made them VIP! Just thinking out loud.

[oesman]

This is entertainment not an investment. I really don't get hagglers. Either the provider gave you your dollar's worth of entertainment or she didn't. As long as I'm getting what I paid for, I'm happy. If I'm not happy with the entertainment I got for my money I won't be a repeat customer. Furthermore I have no problem tipping when I get more for my dollar than I expected.

A significant part of my business life is ensuring I get the best deals on capital investments every day. Why the fuck would I ruin my entertainment by treating it the same way? I want to enjoy myself, not re-create my morning calls.

[Nicolet]

oesman, I wish there were more like you! I have met a few, a precious few.

[Randall Creed]

There are many dynamics to this hobby. It's no exact science in any way. I've seen $300 girls that I didn't want to see again afterwards. I've seen $300 girls that I wanted to tip afterwards (she turned it down, actually). Let me ask this: does a guy need to make high 5 or 6-figure salary to enjoy this hobby? $300 an hour is a lot of fucking money. I'm using 300 as an arbitrary number, btw. Many would say $200 an hour is a lot. My point is, you ladies are making a LOT of money per hour to do an unskilled 'job'. Don't get your panties in a wad over the word 'unskilled'. It simply means that you didn't go to a certification school or college or have some kind of documented training on your job (unless there's a Provider University out there ). People who make this kind of money are those who have invested in their crafts in some way. 4 years of school or more, paid for some kind of certification, or something of the like. Many times they had to invest or get someone to invest in them, which means they took a gamble that they would get paid on the back end of learning this trade.

Providers, on the other hand, can just wake up one morning and say, "I want to charge $____", to do something that is natural. To defend pro athletes for a second, they've spent years investing in their ability to make the money they make. I would agree that they make too money to play games, but I'm not the one paying the money...not directly. If I had to pay a player say, $500 out of pocket to get him to shoot a basketball or throw a football, I'd be like, "to hell with that", because it's not something that I need directly. As far as the hobby goes, getting on top of a woman occasionally, I feel like it's something that I 'need' from time to time. When I do, I need you to be hot. If you're going to charge that kind of money, I need to have a hell of a time.

The problem with this business and 'upper tier' operations is, how I do say this...umm, timing, I guess. With BP, it's more 'fast food' kinda, not that that's bad all the time. BP has its flaws, but I don't like to bag on it all the time. The problem with BP parallels with the strength of it: ease of arrangements. Here's my point. I really don't like to wait 3 days to see someone, or whatever the delay time on the screening process is. I have a semi-erection right now, and when I call or text or pm you, I most likely want to see you within the hour, or two if you need a little bit of time. I don't know how I'm going to feel 3 days from now, or even tomorrow. I may not have the time. I just looked at your showcase, and it got me going. Now, if I'm flying into town 3 days from now, OK, sure. Let's make arrangements. But if you live 15-20 miles away from me, why can't we set something up in a couple hours? I know it doesn't always take 3 days to screen. I'm simply trying to make a point of emphasis on spontaneity. Some guys need it quicker than others.

I'm not trying to lessen the importance of screening, but if I'm not a newbie, why would it take so long to get through this process? This is where board persona I think should count for something, if applicable. I know there's a lot of range on personalities of guys here. Good, bad, great to terrible. Is hobby persona part of screening? I'm pretty sure it is. I ask, does every good, charming hobbyist make a lot of money, where they can shred 300 bucks and laugh? Probably not. Here's a news flash. Not everyone makes a lot of money. Now, does that mean they're not entitled to have some sexual fun? There's an audience that LOVES to say, "If you can't afford to hobby then you shouldn't be here." To that I say, 'fuck off' if you think that way, because to me it's a way to demean and discourage people who make less money than you. This is a perfect microcosm of this society, which says, "If you don't make the kind of money I make, then go away and die." Everybody needs to get a lil bit every now and then, and you shouldn't have to be a millionaire or high-thousandaire to get some.

This circles back to my original point. If you're charging that kind of money (anything over 200, IMO), then you need to have the body and provide the services that the guy is expecting based on what he sees in pictures and showcases. Hell, if you're charging even $100 an hour, and you have pics that says you look like Cameron Diaz or Jessica Biel, then you better fucking look like Cameron and Jessica. Using fake pics fuck up the game because now you've created expectations that aren't there. Now the guy feels like he's wasting his money...and time. Time IS money, especially when you have to work all week (not one hour) to make it.

As far as bargaining goes, I don't do it. If I contact you for an appointment, it means I've agreed to your rates (unless I'm asking for your rates, which is something I shouldn't have to fucking do because you should post your fucking rates so's we're not talking about MONEY in this fucking business!!).

I can go on for days on this, but I'm to stop here because I want someone to actually read this shit. I may add more in another post. Sorry for this being so long. i have a lot on my mind these days.

[Guest062114-5]

HUA

Just wanted you to know I read every word. Nicely stated.

[oesman]

@Rambo Creed, you make a lot of good points and I agree with a lot of what you're saying.

Originally Posted by Rambro Creed

I've seen $300 girls that I didn't want to see again afterwards. I've seen $300 girls that I wanted to tip afterwards (she turned it down, actually). Let me ask this: does a guy need to make high 5 or 6-figure salary to enjoy this hobby? $300 an hour is a lot of fucking money.

So my thoughts on this are that price doesn't always mean quality. Just like restaurants can be expensive OR overpriced, so can the provider's services. As far as how much you should make, there's no rule. Of course as all things in life it's suggested that you manage your finances and decide what you can and can't afford.

Originally Posted by Rambro Creed

If I had to pay a player say, $500 out of pocket to get him to shoot a basketball or throw a football, I'd be like, "to hell with that", because it's not something that I need directly. As far as the hobby goes, getting on top of a woman occasionally, I feel like it's something that I 'need' from time to time.

This to me just boils down to priorities. You can easily pay $500 to see someone shoot a basketball, you can actually pay a LOT more for a really nice ticket. Same with most sports, some are super pricey. Suite tickets to watch the F1 USGP are thousands of dollars per person. So it just depends what you want, right? You want to see guys shoot baskets? See cars drive around fast? Fuck a provider? Go to a strip club? Get bottle service at a club?

Originally Posted by Rambro Creed

The problem with this business and 'upper tier' operations is, how I do say this...umm, timing, I guess. With BP, it's more 'fast food' kinda, not that that's bad all the time. Here's my point. I really don't like to wait 3 days to see someone, or whatever the delay time on the screening process is.

This is a very good point, providers that are charging a premium should be on top of their TCB game. It's annoying when they're not, but sometimes that's the price you pay with certain providers that otherwise offer a great service. I don't do the BP thing, but I see your point with wanting immediate service. However I will say that I've had good luck being screened by reputable ladies for same day turnaround or next morning (i.e. I request the evening before.) Ones I've seen before are usually easy to schedule with.

Originally Posted by Rambro Creed

I ask, does every good, charming hobbyist make a lot of money, where they can shred 300 bucks and laugh? Probably not. Here's a news flash. Not everyone makes a lot of money. Now, does that mean they're not entitled to have some sexual fun?

If you've got the money to pay for the service, you're absolutely entitled. However I will say that if that money breaks you and you'll feel like shit if the service wasn't up to par, you're probably spending beyond your means. I wouldn't spend money on entertainment I wasn't OK with losing. Just like going to Vegas and losing some money, you shouldn't be upset, because ideally you didn't lose money you needed. Sometimes restaurants I go to end up being overpriced, so I don't go back and might tell my friends I didn't like it, or if they fucked me over I'll give them a negative review, but I don't lose sleep over it.

Originally Posted by Rambro Creed

As far as bargaining goes, I don't do it. If I contact you for an appointment, it means I've agreed to your rates (unless I'm asking for your rates, which is something I shouldn't have to fucking do because you should post your fucking rates so's we're not talking about MONEY in this fucking business!!).

Amen.

[jframe2]

Amen to this!

I do my research, and if everything adds up to what I am looking for in a visit, I am good to go.

Haggling in this world of ours is not what I am looking for to be entertained.

Having said this, my MO is to find and stay with 1-2 steady ATF's which keeps things interesting for me and them. I am not a volume, notch my bedpost kinda guy.

Originally Posted by oesman

This is entertainment not an investment. I really don't get hagglers. Either the provider gave you your dollar's worth of entertainment or she didn't. As long as I'm getting what I paid for, I'm happy. If I'm not happy with the entertainment I got for my money I won't be a repeat customer. Furthermore I have no problem tipping when I get more for my dollar than I expected.

A significant part of my business life is ensuring I get the best deals on capital investments every day. Why the fuck would I ruin my entertainment by treating it the same way? I want to enjoy myself, not re-create my morning calls.

[Bella Jesime]

Originally Posted by awl4knot

A well-butted woman like you is free to pick her price point and business model and the market will decide. Some guys view non-negotiable rates as a challenge and think the hobby is like an oriental bazaar where haggling is a time honored art. Others are just cheap sob's who have no respect for "hookers" (their term, not mine) and
will try to bargain just to prove their point of view.

A hugely prolific poster on this board swears he never turns over the donation until after the session. How do you deal with that kind of hobbyist if everything else is cool?

Thanks fr the compliment... LOL and to answer the question what would I do to the client that pay after... lol Show him the door while jumping on the bed naked!

[Bella Jesime]

Originally Posted by LilMynx69

HUA

Just wanted you to know I read every word. Nicely stated.

"My point is, you ladies are making a LOT of money per hour to do an unskilled 'job'."

Sorry I couldn't finish reading after this comment. We do get training. You can have credentials (Ratings on TER, Number of reviews, Acceptance to top provider websites, Ranking on review boards, reputation)

I don't wanna judge but by the way you think a chick just "wakes up one day and says I'm worth this much" shows how you feel about your providers. I'm clearly not one you'd enjoy. Or get to enjoy for that matter.

[Bella Jesime]

Originally Posted by ronjeremy

there are providers for every type of client, but i have heard your same complaints from many of the top providers. seems many are going to a no review policy and don't want to deal with the career hobbyist types. too much blackmailing for good reviews, haggling, self entitlement. once upon a time newbies were the kiss of death, and now it seems the top girls prefer them because they not only grade easier in reviews, they tend to be so nervous the provider can wallk all over them. not that you should or everyone does, but it happens. i would have to believe that a guy screened through real name and work info would be less likely to get stupid on a girl. what tupe of recourse does a provider have if she only gets a guy' handle and refs? blacklist him? BFD. he can change his handle an start all over again.

I actually prefer the skilled veteran hobbyist. Incriminating words are left as taboo, the research you before they see you, you can research the way they review (pessimistic, sarcastic, optimistic, fair etc)
You also know what types of services they prefer. I'm a nerd so being able to know as much info as possible on the manner of my client, dislikes and likes, dos and donts, allow me to feel way more comfortable booking them. Safety is a large issue too. Whitelisted clients dont see 40 women then decide to kill the 41st.

[Bella Jesime]

I love you King of Blacks!!! LOL I can tell you are a true hobbyist!!! I really love this quote!!! One of my ATF!!

"As far as bargaining goes, I don't do it. If I contact you for an appointment, it means I've agreed to your rates (unless I'm asking for your rates, which is something I shouldn't have to fucking do because you should post your fucking rates so's we're not talking about MONEY in this fucking business!!)."

[Bella Jesime]

@Rambro Creed

Time is NOT money!!!
Steve Jobs had HELLA money (Hella Bay area slang term for LOTS AND LOTS)
And he couldnt buy extra days to live or buy ten years back to when he was in good health. Money can always be made back, Time cannot.

[Bella Jesime]

Clearly @Rambo_creed is manic bipolar. Either that or two ppl typed his lengthy reply.

I love you then
I hate you...


be the one I love if you ever book me

thanks in advance

[Bella Jesime]

Originally Posted by fine dimes21

The BP guys aren't going to book multiple hrs or even an overnighter regardless.
Hobbyists would consider that if they have a great time and I have done it before only with gals I click with.

That is my thoughts on those gals. If you are looking for a good length of time to hang out, I wouldn't seek out BP.

I beg to differ, I have met some of my best clients, (Luxxx Men) as I call them off of BP. The deal breaker is the girl. Most chicks get 80 on BP now and if I'm in a slow city I'll put one up and I can still get my normal rates. Not most, but a hefty few of my clients for life came from there. I think its the way you structure your bait that catches the big fish, as well the area you choose to drop your line.