Self Promoting Response

[jeff one086]

not taking into account who is on what side of the fence.
cuz i really dont care.
but just looking at the base topic.

having a link to your site in a post is an ad.
only VP can post ads.
every post has a sig line
having a link to your website in your sig line makes every post an ad.

VP have to go thru a verification, so any girl that has it, is approved, and has the site's seal of approval.
VP status.
at that point do whatever the hell you want, most do.

someone without VP should not be allowed the same benefits posting an ad, as without verification by the site, they could be a detriment to the members. especially if the person was refused VP status.
so if the site gives VP status to anyone, or allows anyone to post an ad, it becomes little more than a slightly more organized, slightly prettier craig's list with a gallery and cute smiley emoticons.

so if ecc is going to allow anyone to post ads, or have VP status it needs to change it's policy to read as it is actual going to run the site and follow the policy as written so the members know what to expect. a standard for who can post ads.

making it up as you go doesn't bode well for people that actually read and follow the rules.
it just benefits those that don't, those that refuse to, or those that take advantage of them.

jeff

[BiggestBest]

I agree with most of what Jeff wrote. There does need to be a distinction between VP's and non-VPs.

Posting a link in your signature line is an ad. But so is a lady flirting and saying "We should get together, send me a PM".

FireSerpent (Tank) seems to be a cool guy. His signature line has this "ad":

For photography assistance, please email: Tank@JEmilePhoto.com

Is it serving the community to stop Tank from advertising his non-VP service?

http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?p=487905#post487905

[MsElena]

BB,

Let me address each paragraph/topic/question/ASSumption (here's a link to the definition if you need it http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/assumption). My answers will be in bold text for those of you who choose to read only what they believe or assume.

Originally Posted by BiggestBest

To get this thread back on topic...

Since "everyone's opinion matters", here's mine:

Christine posted that she came to this board because people were discussing/bashing her massages here. After a rocky start, she decided to stay and has been participating here. Her interactions have been fun and entertaining. She has flirted with several people (male and female). In which she did the right thing to address the issues. Am I to be upset because she flirted? Please, everyone flirts. I say all the more power to you if you flirt and it works for you....men and women alike. There's a big difference between self promoting and flirting though.

You started a thread with the sole purpose of complaining about what an excellent job of marketing she was doing. Bubba (wisely) shut that down. It was true no? Omahan and Bubba both said a few times each that she was pushing the limits and to stop. Why couldn't it be discussed in the open? Because YOU don't believe its true? And btw, Bubba closed the thread because it was taken off topic. Please reread Bubba's post.

But your mission had not been accomplished, so (since you couldn't re-open the closed thread) you started a new thread on EXACTLY the same topic to continue bashing. Bubba almost closed it again. Not sure why he didn't. I opened another thread to respond to the people who had accused me of something. Am I not allowed to respond back? For your information, I was given permission to open that thread by Bubba because the other thread was off topic and not a valid discussion. I had nothing to accomplished, I was stating facts in which some of you choose to overlook.

Christine is not allowed to be one of the "in" kids because of her personal choice to not do Provider activities, so she can't post ads. And even though she was told that she COULD have a link to her services in her signature line (after you made sure that she would not be accepted as a Provider), now she apparently can't even have that, although many here have expressed interest. How did I make sure she wouldn't be accepted as a provider? I'm confused by that one because last I knew, I'm not a MOD nor an owner of this site. I'm sorry, but if you're a lady who is a regular member of this site and you have a link to your business, guess what? Its called ADVERTISING. Christine was the one who brought it up in this thread http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=52258 and everyone except for one agreed that since she doesn't offered or have the same exposure, she shouldn't have VP status. I didn't even respond to that thread, so explain how it was ME who made sure she didn't get provider status? Again BB, do your fact checking before making such claims towards me. You owe me an apology.


Having verbally bullied everyone who disagrees with you, now you're flirting and self-promoting with all of your white knights just like Christine was doing! How did I verbally bully everyone who disagreed with me? You obviously didn't read my responses. How am I self promoting and flirting with people in those threads? I don't have any white knights, I didn't ask any of those gentlemen to say a word. I haven't even met any of the men who posted. Your claims are amazing BB.

Very impressive, MsElena! Sarcasm at its best, nice to see you finally achieved something in life.

Now some might complain that I'm being a white knight. I've never met Christine. I do like the fun and flirting that she was bringing. You are a white knight, you love the fact that some ladies (who don't know any better) turn to you. Also, you just love to see yourself in postings. You're the type of guy who has to be in the middle of everything and know everything.

But I do have an opinion about your systematic and coordinated attacks on more than one person here (BottomlessFilth, for example). The only explanation that I can find is that, despite your claims otherwise, you are precisely jealous of the attention she is getting through wise marketing. Please explain to me how I'm jealous of her? I've gone over this a couple of times now and you don't seem to understand. I'm supposed to be jealous of the attention she's getting on a escort site? Are you serious? That's like saying, "Oh I'm going to cyber fight you." I can't even begin to find the words to express just how ignorant that sentence sounds. I don't live in KC, I don't share the same clients with her and our businesses are totally different. How much clearer can I make that point????

IMHO, you hate all men who you cannot at least influence if not completely control. Refer to the training you got for your Psychology degree. Isn't your "hate strong, intelligent women" accusation against Swarmy, really just you projecting?

BB, if your first sentence of this paragraph is true, that means I must love you. If I hated men, I'd be a lesbian and last I checked, I'm just bi. Its not me who hates men BB, its you that hates providers after HottieInKC took you for thousands of dollars and threatened to out you.

BB....all it boils down to is this. Speak of what you truly know and not what you assume. You made this post to me very personal and that's OK, you've had it in for me for a while now. If you were a true hobbyist, people might take you seriously, but you're not. You love to lead people on to think that though. You complain time and time again that the rates most providers have are too expensive. You open your mouth when you shouldn't and make posts that you shouldn't. There's very very few men on this board who believe a word you say, in fact 90% think you're a tool. You believe that if you to become a MOD (you've applied and asked numerous times) on ECCIE you'd rule the roost and be big cock on the block. You have no problem sharing information with others that shouldn't be shared. Go ahead, be the big man on campus....its yours for the taking.

Now, for the rest of you who can't seem to understand the true intentions of my original post, it all comes down to security.

The ladies who get verified provider status go through a process for a reason, so the men who see ladies advertising on this site are legit and are OK to visit. When ladies who do not have VP status are allowed to have their websites/email addresses/phone numbers in a signature line its advertising and basically the site is saying she's OK without her having to go through the vetting process.

All it takes is one lady to do that who ends up being a cop and then what happens?

This site is here for a reason, to help each other out and keep us safe.

[topnotchmassage]

"#23 - Each member's signature line is an extension of their ability to express their personality to others online. We offer a relaxed and flexible set of guidelines for our members and staff to follow regarding maintenance of their signature area. In short, you are allowed 15 lines of text, space, and images. You may include colored text or larger font sizes, and you may include images that do not exceed 60 pixels in height. Limit font size to "5." Images or larger-than-default text will be counted as 3 of your 15 lines allowed, so please consider this when constructing your signature area. Additionally, you may include links and other items of contact info, but avoid mentioning specifics regarding acronyms, services, or rates. We also ask that you refrain from including links to or mention of competing websites."

Bubba addressed(and rightly so) the issue that I was throwing my pics out there...and the one incident where I made a special offer in a post. Those, I believe, should be the issues at hand...As far as the signature is concerned, I don't seem to be breaking any rules.

[BiggestBest]

I'll respond to the key attempts to discredit me:

Originally Posted by MsElena

BB, if your first sentence of this paragraph is true, that means I must love you.

You believe that you can control me? Or is that a threat that I'd better stop posting?

Its not me who hates men BB, its you that hates providers after HottieInKC took you for thousands of dollars and threatened to out you.

Gentlemen - Pay careful attention to what Elena did with information that was shared in extreme confidence with her. Decide whether you want to see her.

You believe that if you to become a MOD (you've applied and asked numerous times) on ECCIE you'd rule the roost and be big cock on the block.

A bold-faced lie. I was asked one time if I wanted to apply and I declined.

You have no problem sharing information with others that shouldn't be shared.

Another bold-faced lie. What have I ever shared that "shouldn't be shared"? But you clearly have no problem sharing confidential information.

I fully expected the "spin" and attacks to start. Here they are. This is how Elena intends to "rule the roost" here. Heed her warning Ladies and Gentlemen.

[MsElena]

BB,

You give me more credit than I deserve. My job is to keep the secrets, not share them. Silly rabbit. I don't intend on ruling any roost except my own home. There's no spin, just facts. If you can't handle the facts, that's your fault for trying to bring your personal dislike into this. You're reading way too much into my "I must love you then" comment. How did you get a threat out of that? LOL


As for the information about your trouble's with HottieInKC, you didn't share that info with me in confidence. That information has been told to any provider who would listen by YOU.


I do see how there was no apology to me though. How interesting. Some people just can't handle being wrong. So you post trying to "warn" people of how mean, evil and bad I am instead of actually responding to the facts in which you were proven wrong.

[BiggestBest]

Originally Posted by MsElena

As for the information about your trouble's with HottieInKC, you didn't share that info with me in confidence.

Another lie. I told it to you in confidence.

You cannot re-spin history to suit yourself.

And I don't need to warn anyone. You issued a self-alert.

[Guest121212]

You two should get a room.

And I thought my posts were off topic . . .

I agree with Jeff, but I have much stronger feelings about it. I stated them months ago in the thread that discussed verified provider status for persons that weren't really "providers". It goes to the credibility of the board as a whole.

Kisses,

- Jackie

[dirty dog]

I have received VM status as of today so I am going to begin advertising LOL.

[swarmyone]

Originally Posted by jackie@sintropolis

Nah. He needs a blowjob, maybe more so than most anyone else here . . .

Swarmy, everyone doesn't have to conform to your line of thinking . . . as much as you may want (fantasize) otherwise . . .

Kisses,

- Jackie

Actually Jackie, I've had a blow job from you. It's okay if you don't remember....it wasn't really that memorable for me either.

[MsElena]

Originally Posted by BiggestBest

Another lie. I told it to you in confidence.

You cannot re-spin history to suit yourself.

And I don't need to warn anyone. You issued a self-alert.

I issued no such thing. Stop trying to make this your own personal crusade against me and the only reason you're doing that is because you can't argue the facts I presented in my rebuttal to you.

I can just imagine you making your calls to certain people about me, stomping your feet because you can dish it out, but can't take it.

Let's get back to the topic at hand.

I'm done, this has eaten up enough of my time.

[Guest121212]

Originally Posted by swarmyone

Actually Jackie, I've had a blow job from you. It's okay if you don't remember....it wasn't really that memorable for me either.

Please, stop confusing me with your mother.

[JS42]

" When ladies who do not have VP status are allowed to have their websites/email addresses/phone numbers in a signature line its advertising and basically the site is saying she's OK without her having to go through the vetting process."

"Additionally, you may include links and other items of contact info, "

Gotcha. As Christine pointed out in rule#23 and quoted above she has every right to have her link here. Now you can object to the owners of this site about this rule, but she is WITHIN the rules. So let's leave her the hell alone over this. It's getting ridiculous and yes DRAMATIC. She shot down your main argument so let it rest already. And if anyone is owed an apology here, it's Christine.

[Wizard of Ahhhhs]

Originally Posted by jackie@sintropolis

And I thought my posts were off topic . . .

Jackie ~ I liked your other off-topic post a lot better!

Originally Posted by dirty dog

I have received VM status as of today so I am going to begin advertising...

Take no offense, dirty dog, but not sure we're interested in what you're advertising...

[dirty dog]

"Take no offense, dirty dog, but not sure we're interested in what you're advertising... "

Verified muff muncher LOL. I am pretty sure you dont qualify LOL.