Tips on spotting fakes and 'bait and switch' girls

[1ThickBlond]

Originally Posted by pyramider

Get it right . . . DH is the Fucking Prophet and President of the Mickey Mouse Club.

I stand corrected!

[LeiLani]

I just found a girl on bp who stole one of my pics and posted it as her own! her name was "honey" and she had blond hair, i have black and she just cropped my face out!! WTF

[Sensual Sophia]

Thanks for posting this. Nothing is more annoying to a hard working provider than when scammers take the money that could have gone to someone who cares about her clients.

[1ThickBlond]

I agree with you 100% Sophia. I posted this same thing on Austin Backpage when I was visiting and forgot to not link it to my other ads/posts. I pissed a bunch of scamming bitches off and had a mailbox full of hate mail and threats. I thought it was very funny!

[pyramider]

Originally Posted by 1ThickBlond

I stand corrected!

Quite alright! Rodent based clubs make him anstsy. Thinck of a club of all RBJs. The horrors . . .

[nscrogg]

Originally Posted by Cpalmson

Easier said than done. If the girl comes to you, who is with her? Does she have a driver/bodyguard/pimp? If you refuse to see her, they may intimidate you, cause a scene, rough you up, or all of the above. Try explaining that to the neighbors, hotel staff, and/or fellow guests. If you go to the girl, just who else is behind the door. See above for possible results of refusing to meet.

i know this is going to sound terrible in all that but shut the door and lock it if they try to intimidate you so what if they cause a scene your pride is already hurt by being stupid and not checkin g the girl out before hand(i have done it before). And as for roughing you up, thats why u shut the door. If they try to get in your house your with in your right to shoot them (at least in texas) explain to your neighbors that it was a wrong address and you have no clue who that was, think it will be the first time hotel staff has see something like that. if you go to her and someone else is their leave as quickly as you can. ask if anyone else will be there. make sure car is parked for ready to leave mode. (back in to spot) the result is they dont get my money

[Redwolf]

Very good thread.

Regarding Tineye, you don't have to save the pic to your computer. You can cut the pic link and post it into Tineye.

A good practice is to google the ad text to see if the same wording is used elsewhere or by other girls.

I won't see a girl without reviews by known hobbiests and P411 and preferably provider status on forums. I do keep an eye somewhat on the BP girls because a few do become reliable, reviewed, and well-known providers.

[Capt. Lincoln F. Stern]

Originally Posted by Cpalmson

Easier said than done. If the girl comes to you, who is with her? Does she have a driver/bodyguard/pimp? If you refuse to see her, they may intimidate you, cause a scene, rough you up, or all of the above. Try explaining that to the neighbors, hotel staff, and/or fellow guests. If you go to the girl, just who else is behind the door. See above for possible results of refusing to meet.

What you can do if they come to see you:
1) have a camera handy. Take their photos as well as photos of who else is with them. In fact if they have a "driver" REFUSE to see them, even if its the person in the photo. Safety!

2) Walk outside with camera and photo their car and plates when you refuse to see them because they are not who was in the photo.

Scammers do not like info being gathered.

If you cannot do these things.. then plan a set up so they go to a place where you have a "wingman" who will get the plate numbers etc....

I have done this once (was wingman)

[HoneyRose]

If you have outcall to your hotel, use a hotel that requires a key to use the elevator.

If you're waiting in the lobby and she calls from the parking lot or lobby you can see if she's the lady in the picture before going to the elevator. Or you can ride down the elevator and if it's not her, just keep walking past, go outside and call her to cancel because she's not the one in the picture.

Having high-quality professional pictures, or European outlets is a pink flag. They could be legit, but you should be suspicious. (or the ocean in the background advertising in Kansas )

[Memory757]

Originally Posted by HoneyRose

If you have outcall to your hotel, use a hotel that requires a key to use the elevator.

If you're waiting in the lobby and she calls from the parking lot or lobby you can see if she's the lady in the picture before going to the elevator. Or you can ride down the elevator and if it's not her, just keep walking past, go outside and call her to cancel because she's not the one in the picture.

Having high-quality professional pictures, or European outlets is a pink flag. They could be legit, but you should be suspicious. (or the ocean in the background advertising in Kansas )

I agree with you on the high quality pics to some extinct. I say this because some providers perfer to get pics professionally taken. But I noticed when I had gotten professional pictures taken when clients were calling they thought they were fake. So what I had to do was actually take pics from my camera phone in the outfit and in the same spot to prove that it was me. Luckily I had the photographer come to my house to do the pics so it wasnt to much trouble. I would say proffessional pictures that are taken in different places would be a red flag. So clients could just ask to see multiple pictures in the same place.

[Guest032514-1]

Originally Posted by Redwolf

Very good thread.

Regarding Tineye, you don't have to save the pic to your computer. You can cut the pic link and post it into Tineye.

A good practice is to google the ad text to see if the same wording is used elsewhere or by other girls.

I won't see a girl without reviews by known hobbiests and P411 and preferably provider status on forums. I do keep an eye somewhat on the BP girls because a few do become reliable, reviewed, and well-known providers.

Best advice on this thread.

Originally Posted by Spirit13

What you can do if they come to see you:
1) have a camera handy. Take their photos as well as photos of who else is with them. In fact if they have a "driver" REFUSE to see them, even if its the person in the photo. Safety!

2) Walk outside with camera and photo their car and plates when you refuse to see them because they are not who was in the photo.

Scammers do not like info being gathered.

If you cannot do these things.. then plan a set up so they go to a place where you have a "wingman" who will get the plate numbers etc....

I have done this once (was wingman)

Not so much. Every provider has a thing (I almost wrote fears) about being photographed/videoed without her knowledge or consent. Taking photos of car tags?? Well......How would you feel if providers made video of you? Got your plates? If you are that concerned about a date - you shouldn't have booked that date.

Couple of things I do on an outcall that when flipped, work for clients.

LOOK. Really just look around. Look at people standing walking around. Look at the vehicles parked around. Don't just look at immediate vicinity, make a block or two. Get there early, find a spot, park and look. Look. Look. Look.
Hotel? Don't park in the lot (keep your tags safe from prying eyes).
Private residence? Park down the street - never in the drive never directly in front of. (Cruising up and down a residential street can look bad to others so careful w/this one).

Be there, be out of your vehicle and away from it when you make the "I'm here" call. (again - protect the tags and also protect yourself from unauthorized photographing as well.)

As for a driver. Might be good advice in most cases. Many ladies do have drivers. I hired a car service (complete w/driver) while I was in Chicago. I didn't know the city, paying to park was a bitch and I was visiting completely alone - my "I'm ok" call was still in TN & couldn't do me a lot of good. At least with a car service, if I didn't return at the scheduled time, call to bring the car back around when I was supposed to; somebody local was looking for me asap and knew approximately my last known location.

[bustyms.sasha]

thanks for the info. IM real though.

[LAVixian]

good post!

[burkalini]

I only do outcalls to my condo. I have restricted entry and have to let the provider in the building. This makes it safer for me and allows me to see the provider b4 I let her in. This does cut down on getting the old fake providers

[atlcomedy]

Originally Posted by HoneyRose

If you have outcall to your hotel, use a hotel that requires a key to use the elevator.

If you're waiting in the lobby and she calls from the parking lot or lobby you can see if she's the lady in the picture before going to the elevator. Or you can ride down the elevator and if it's not her, just keep walking past, go outside and call her to cancel because she's not the one in the picture.

Having high-quality professional pictures, or European outlets is a pink flag. They could be legit, but you should be suspicious. (or the ocean in the background advertising in Kansas )

Yeah.

A variation on that is if you are having outcall to your residence with security, doorman, etc. say you will meet them outside and walk them up so she doesn't have to sign-in etc. If she isn't as advetised instead of outside your door you are just 2 people on the street.

Originally Posted by nscrogg

i know this is going to sound terrible in all that but shut the door and lock it if they try to intimidate you so what if they cause a scene your pride is already hurt by being stupid and not checkin g the girl out before hand(i have done it before). And as for roughing you up, thats why u shut the door. If they try to get in your house your with in your right to shoot them (at least in texas) explain to your neighbors that it was a wrong address and you have no clue who that was, think it will be the first time hotel staff has see something like that. if you go to her and someone else is their leave as quickly as you can. ask if anyone else will be there. make sure car is parked for ready to leave mode. (back in to spot) the result is they dont get my money

Originally Posted by abdclub

Thankfully I have not been in that situation! (yet!!) Were it to happen at an incall, I'd simply say that I must have the wrong room. At your place, I'd say you must have made a mistake, no-one by that name lives here.

abdclub

Originally Posted by Cpalmson

Easier said than done. If the girl comes to you, who is with her? Does she have a driver/bodyguard/pimp? If you refuse to see her, they may intimidate you, cause a scene, rough you up, or all of the above. Try explaining that to the neighbors, hotel staff, and/or fellow guests. If you go to the girl, just who else is behind the door. See above for possible results of refusing to meet.

In my experience unless you are seeing a truly imbalanced or impaired individual, particularly if they are a fraud or trying to rob you, the last thing they want to do is make a scene. Closing & locking the door does the trick.

This is particularly true at a hotel. If she is coming to see you at XYZ Hotel, she probably spends more time at that property than you do (or she hopes to), the last thing she wants to do is screw up the ability to do so.

The caveat is if you care what your neighbors think plan accordingly. Frankly, I've had more neighbor/disturbance issues with civie ex's (e.g. showing up angry, unannounced, maybe after bar close) than with pros.

Originally Posted by 1ThickBlond

Lastly, if the girl that comes to see you or answers the door isn't the one in the photos on her ad SIMPLY REFUSE TO SEE HER! The main reason the scammers stay in business is because you guys continue to reward them for DECEIVING you!

This is right on...I go one step further...on the front end over the phone I politely say something like:

"I'm sure this won't be a problem (b/c you are so well reviewed etc. etc.), but if I discover you have misrepresented yourself I will refuse to see you and you will not be paid. At all."

Sometimes this elicits a response about some minor change to her appearance (hairstyle, etc.) and just wanting to make sure that is okay or admitting the picture isn't her (for privacy reasons) but she looks as good or better & if I'm not happy I can send her away with no hard feelings.

Sometimes this elicits a hang up.

Point is if you make it clear upfront you won't be ripped-off, most of the fakes will run the other way. They aren't stupid. They don't want to waste their time driving across town for no payday. Afterall they know there are plenty of suckers out there that are willing be ripped-off....