WTF ?

[JD Barleycorn]

Olivia you stumbled onto a truth. Repeating the same lie over and over again makes it the truth. Who said that originally?

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”--Joseph Goebbels, Nazi Propaganda Minister


Oh, that's where I heard it.

[Old-T]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

The federal government needs to do a lot of shrinking. Most government jobs are overpaid, redundant, featherbedded, makework, affirmative action and unconstitutional.

Ah, I just love generalizations!

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

COG; Obama hoodwinked you. He didn't back off his private sector comment. Read the story (opening paragraph), the Times misleads readers. Obama's claification was a doubling down on his earlier statement.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...ks_646815.html

Damn. That's twice this weekend. I'm off my game.

[Fast Gunn]

You should know by now that the poor fool is hanging on the lower rungs of evolution by his finger nails.

He thinks his moronic and crude remarks are somehow funny,

but they're just disgusting as he is and . .

Romney deserves his vote!

. . . (but, only if the monkey can figure out how to work the machine)!

Originally Posted by CJ7

my my, how "adult"

and for future reference its Gnarly dump


Im not a spelling cop, youre a dumbass


puttlig pics on toilets and boasting about on a hooker board

:roll 1:

youza sho nuff a bigshot aintcha?

[thewaywordfucker]

Depending on what private sector category you look at changes how the economy is perceived to be doing. Our GDP rose at least 9% since 2009.(http://www.tradingeconomics.com/unit...tes/gdp-growth) Looking at the Debt ratio makes one sad, ( http://www.tradingeconomics.com/gove...ist-by-country) we need more tax revenue and to cut big programs, like defense and health care costs or we are on our way to a collapse. It is sad how quickly the U.S. lost the moral high ground when we lied to the world and stopped caring about what is right and only about profit.

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by thewaywordfucker

Depending on what private sector category you look at changes how the economy is perceived to be doing. Our GDP rose at least 9% since 2009.(http://www.tradingeconomics.com/unit...tes/gdp-growth) Looking at the Debt ratio makes one sad, ( http://www.tradingeconomics.com/gove...ist-by-country) we need more tax revenue and to cut big programs, like defense and health care costs or we are on our way to a collapse. It is sad how quickly the U.S. lost the moral high ground when we lied to the world and stopped caring about what is right and only about profit.

We need to cut entitlement spending. We need to shut down all federal spending that can't be constitutionally justified. We don't need to raise taxes. The economy is fragile, a tax increase would put us back into a full blown recession. We do need to simplify the tax code. We need a flat rate or better yet a replacement of the income tax with a national sales tax.

America's unfunded liabilities are increasing at ten trillion a year. No tax increase can touch it.

[Whirlaway]

In his Friday press conference Obama claimed the following...

"The private sector is doing fine. Where we're seeing weaknesses in our economy have to do with state and local government—oftentimes, cuts initiated by governors or mayors who are not getting the kind of help that they have in the past from the federal government and who don't have the same kind of flexibility as the federal government in dealing with fewer revenues coming in."

What Obama didn't tell the American audience is state and local government layoffs aren't the result of falling state and local revenues, which have increased by 6% over the last two years. The problem is that the cost of worker benefits is growing faster than revenues. Governments are having to lay off workers to pay for their rising pension and health bills!

If Obama is genuine is his concern about the health of local and state governments, why doesn't he support Democratically led government pension reforms that are being promoted by Rahm Emanuel in Chicago, Chuck Reed in San Jose ????

Answer: Obama is a phony; and needs a wedge issue to win in November (he knows his record won't get him a 2nd term). It's all about what is right for Obama; not middle class Americans.

As the WSJ editorialized.......

"The fair if depressing takeaway from Mr. Obama's press conference is that he continues to believe, despite three and a half years of failure, that more government spending is the key to faster growth and that government really doesn't need to reform. This is how you get a jobless rate above 8% for 40 months and the weakest economic recovery in 60 years."

[Doove]

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

He's truthy. He actually thinks the truth is something that you say over and over and over again and that is what makes it true. Well it's not. The truth is that the economy is doing poorly. He only makes asinine statements like this because he doesn't know what else to do. If he'd have been doing the real job of president instead of the primary job of an incumbent candidate, maybe we wouldn't be back-sliding into a recession.

Combine that with where profits are headed, and yeah, you have a private sector which isn't doing all that bad.

So maybe Obama was basing his comment on the facts, as opposed to you, who bases everything on your Hillary bitterness.

You really seem to have nothing to offer beyond "he sucks because i say so". Your Obama hatred comments are getting a little tired.

[Guest123018-4]

Must have been off the prompter and speaking his own mind.
If he truly believes something and says it is it a lie?
This man has no clue and his ignorance is not just showing it is paramount.
He has absolutely no common sense.

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

In his Friday press conference Obama claimed the following...

"The private sector is doing fine. Where we're seeing weaknesses in our economy have to do with state and local government—oftentimes, cuts initiated by governors or mayors who are not getting the kind of help that they have in the past from the federal government and who don't have the same kind of flexibility as the federal government in dealing with fewer revenues coming in."

What Obama didn't tell the American audience is state and local government layoffs aren't the result of falling state and local revenues, which have increased by 6% over the last two years. The problem is that the cost of worker benefits is growing faster than revenues. Governments are having to lay off workers to pay for their rising pension and health bills!

If Obama is genuine is his concern about the health of local and state governments, why doesn't he support Democratically led government pension reforms that are being promoted by Rahm Emanuel in Chicago, Chuck Reed in San Jose ????

Answer: Obama is a phony; and needs a wedge issue to win in November (he knows his record won't get him a 2nd term). It's all about what is right for Obama; not middle class Americans.

As the WSJ editorialized.......

"The fair if depressing takeaway from Mr. Obama's press conference is that he continues to believe, despite three and a half years of failure, that more government spending is the key to faster growth and that government really doesn't need to reform. This is how you get a jobless rate above 8% for 40 months and the weakest economic recovery in 60 years."

There's an old saying that if the only tool you have is a hammer, every job looks like a nail. Obama only has one tool; the government. Obama thinks the government is the answer to everything. Spend more money. Hire more government workers. Regulate everything. Raise taxes.

The relationship between the government and the private sector should be symbiotic not parasitic. The government has become a parasite on the private sector. It is sucking the blood out of the economy.

[Doove]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

There's an old saying that if the only tool you have is a hammer, every job looks like a nail. Obama only has one tool; the government. Obama thinks the government is the answer to everything. Spend more money. Hire more government workers. Regulate everything. Raise taxes.

The relationship between the government and the private sector should be symbiotic not parasitic. The government has become a parasite on the private sector. It is sucking the blood out of the economy.

In a nutshell, the private sector has grown at a better pace under Obama during his first 3 years than it did in any of the 3 Bush administrations/terms during their first 3 years. Would it be better if the private sector grew even more than it has? Of course.

But the real lag is in the public sector. That's just a fact.

Again, the private sector is growing relatively steadily, and the public sector is shrinking. If this were happening under a Republican administration...

[Guest040616]

Damn, I thought this was a thread about how much WTF adds to this forum only to find out that it is just another in a long line of Obama bashing threads!

[Old-T]

What don't you understand? There are a lot of the frequent posters on here who have no interest in data. It is an inconvenient nusence unless it can be interpreted to support their point of view. Actual discussion of data is not encouraged. All you really need to do is scream 'Socialist", "It's My Right to Shoot People", or "It's the government's fault! (What was the question, remind me?)".

There is a valid question whether the government is at the correct size. Too bad some folks let their hatred truly blind them. You can't have a true evil villian to rant against if you admit they aren't 100% evil, can you? Kind of like the global warming thing, or who actually got OBL.

Revisionist history is such a wonderful thing.

Originally Posted by Doove

In a nutshell, the private sector has grown at a better pace under Obama during his first 3 years than it did in any of the 3 Bush administrations/terms during their first 3 years. Would it be better if the private sector grew even more than it has? Of course.

But the real lag is in the public sector. That's just a fact.

Again, the private sector is growing relatively steadily, and the public sector is shrinking. If this were happening under a Republican administration...

[Whirlaway]

The public sector is shrinking because it has been overbloated (staffing and budgets) and public governments are saddled with employment/retirement commitments they can't afford, despite increased revenues coming into state and local coffers.


If they don't cut back, local governments will go broke. Does Californicaiton convice you? Probably not.

[Old-T]

OK: so you say the public sector is too large, and not priced right. Additionally it is shrinking, though you think it should shrink more. To me that sounds like a rather negative picture to paint of the status quo of public sector.

Then why are you upset when Obama says the public sector is not doing well?

You actually agree, but it you can't bring yourself to ever admit he may be right about anything. This is exactly the blind hate I was talking about. I am not saying the private sector is too small--though I will say it is misallocated. But to say it is not shrinking is just stupid.