Were the pipebombs on January 6th really just the backup plan afterall??

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Q: What is the difference between a "conspiracy theory" and generally accepted truth?

A: Typically between 18-24 months

This one from the Black Hole of Deception needs to get the light of day gleamed upon it. Certainly an interesting read.

The Parliamentary Motive Behind the J6 Fedsurrection

The Ring of Truth – “I am too well accustomed to the taking of evidence not to detect the ring of truth.” 1908, Edith Wharton

Much has been made of the events of January 6, 2021, and with the latest broadcast of CCTV video from inside the Capitol Hill complex, more questions have been raised.

Within the questions: the FBI and government apparatus had advanced knowledge of the scale of the J6 mall assembly yet doing nothing? Why were the Capitol Hill police never informed of the FBI concerns? Why didn’t House Speaker Nancy Pelosi secure the Capitol Hill complex, and why did she deny the request by President Trump to call up the national guard for security support? Why did the FBI have agent provocateurs in the crowd, seemingly stimulating rage within a peaceful crowd to enter the Capitol building? There have always been these nagging questions around ‘why’?



Long time CTH reader “Regitiger” has spent a great deal of time reviewing the entire process, looking at the granular timeline and then overlaying the bigger picture of the constitutional and parliamentary process itself. What follows below is a brilliant analysis of the federal government motive to create a J6 crisis that permitted House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to trigger an emergency session and avoid the 2020 election certification challenges.

Those congressional floor challenges, known and anticipated well in advance of the morning of January 6, 2021, would have formed a legal and constitutional basis for ‘standing’ in judicial challenges that would have eventually reached the Supreme Court. The certification during “emergency session” eliminated the problem for Washington DC.

Regitiger explains below, only edited by me for clarity and context:

I think most, not all, but a large number of people, are totally missing what happened; and why this happened on Jan 6th. I am going to try my best to outline the events that day, blast past the commonly held assumptions and get right down to the core corruption.

I will present this as a series of questions and answers.

♦ Q1: How do you prevent congress from delaying the certification of state electoral votes?

A: It requires a crisis. A crisis that creates an “emergency” …An “emergency” that invokes special house rules.

FACTS: Remember carefully, focus please. Just moments, literally 3 minutes before two representatives issued a vote for motions to suspend the certification, the House members were “informed” by capitol police and other “agents” that a protest was about to breach the chambers. It was at this time that key people: Pence, Pelosi, Schumer, Mcconnell can be seen being walked out and escorted from the chamber. This effectively halted the Entire Chamber Process.

♦ Q2: Why was it necessary to halt the chamber process?

A: The crisis was created to eliminate the motion challenges to halt the certification and to begin voting to look into voting irregularities and fraud

FACTS: The two motions were completely legal and constitutional under at least two constitutionally recognized procedures… procedures that would REQUIRE the house to pause the certification and then vote to determine whether the motions of suspend could move forward.

♦ Q3: What was so important to refuse this motion and the subsequent votes to suspend the electoral certification?

A: It was important to remove that process entirely and continue the fraud and certify the fraud with no detractors on record. This effectively gives no standing for a SCOTUS ruling appeal! Understand this. If those two motions, even just one had successfully been voted EVEN IF THE MOTIONS were DENIED IN VOTE, this gives those who presented them with STANDING FOR A CONSTITUTIONAL LEGAL ARGUMENT BEFORE SCOTUS...

[Salty Again]

... We've been saying this all-along.

Certify with no detractours... ... No legal argument.

The FIX was in!

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[1blackman1]

That’s the stupidest stuff I’ve read all year. It’s impressively dumb though. What’s more interesting is that a group of idiots take it seriously.

[eccieuser9500]

What the HELL did I start by bringing up the J6 bombs? I step away on a chemical vacation for a day or two(?) and this shit! Damn.

[texassapper]

yup. That's how you know it was engineered. It happened in the ONLY way possible that would prevent SCOTUS involvement.

It was the Democrats Reichstag Fire.

[dilbert firestorm]

Heres the rest of the article.


The Parliamentary Motive Behind the J6 Fedsurrection

March 12, 2023 | Sundance | 1,627 Comments

The Ring of Truth – “I am too well accustomed to the taking of evidence not to detect the ring of truth.” 1908, Edith Wharton

Much has been made of the events of January 6, 2021, and with the latest broadcast of CCTV video from inside the Capitol Hill complex, more questions have been raised.

Within the questions: the FBI and government apparatus had advanced knowledge of the scale of the J6 mall assembly yet doing nothing? Why were the Capitol Hill police never informed of the FBI concerns? Why didn’t House Speaker Nancy Pelosi secure the Capitol Hill complex, and why did she deny the request by President Trump to call up the national guard for security support? Why did the FBI have agent provocateurs in the crowd, seemingly stimulating rage within a peaceful crowd to enter the Capitol building? There have always been these nagging questions around ‘why’?



Long time CTH reader “Regitiger” has spent a great deal of time reviewing the entire process, looking at the granular timeline and then overlaying the bigger picture of the constitutional and parliamentary process itself. What follows below is a brilliant analysis of the federal government motive to create a J6 crisis that permitted House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to trigger an emergency session and avoid the 2020 election certification challenges.

Those congressional floor challenges, known and anticipated well in advance of the morning of January 6, 2021, would have formed a legal and constitutional basis for ‘standing’ in judicial challenges that would have eventually reached the Supreme Court. The certification during “emergency session” eliminated the problem for Washington DC.

Regitiger explains below, only edited by me for clarity and context:

I think most, not all, but a large number of people, are totally missing what happened; and why this happened on Jan 6th.

I am going to try my best to outline the events that day, blast past the commonly held assumptions and get right down to the core corruption.

I will present this as a series of questions and answers.

♦ Q1: How do you prevent congress from delaying the certification of state electoral votes?

A: It requires a crisis. A crisis that creates an “emergency” …An “emergency” that invokes special house rules.

FACTS: Remember carefully, focus please. Just moments, literally 3 minutes before two representatives issued a vote for motions to suspend the certification, the House members were “informed” by capitol police and other “agents” that a protest was about to breach the chambers. It was at this time that key people: Pence, Pelosi, Schumer, Mcconnell can be seen being walked out and escorted from the chamber. This effectively halted the Entire Chamber Process.

♦ Q2: Why was it necessary to halt the chamber process?

A: The crisis was created to eliminate the motion challenges to halt the certification and to begin voting to look into voting irregularities and fraud

FACTS: The two motions were completely legal and constitutional under at least two constitutionally recognized procedures… procedures that would REQUIRE the house to pause the certification and then vote to determine whether the motions of suspend could move forward.

♦ Q3: What was so important to refuse this motion and the subsequent votes to suspend the electoral certification?

A: It was important to remove that process entirely and continue the fraud and certify the fraud with no detractors on record. This effectively gives no standing for a SCOTUS ruling appeal! Understand this. If those two motions, even just one had successfully been voted EVEN IF THE MOTIONS were DENIED IN VOTE, this gives those who presented them with STANDING FOR A CONSTITUTIONAL LEGAL ARGUMENT BEFORE SCOTUS.

♦ Q4: Could this have been done some other way other than creating a crisis/protest?

A: Unlikely. In order to prevent those two motions, requires that speaker of the house, minority leaders, and the president of the congress (vice president of the United States: Pence), to NOT BE PRESENT IN THE CHAMBERS.

Once the capitol police and other “law enforcements agents” informed the speaker and these three other individuals, Pelosi UNILATERALLY UNDER EMERGENCY RULES, suspended the business of the congress. This protest was necessary. The crisis was created because there is no other way to suspend the business of certification UNILATERALLY. By creating a crisis invokes emergency procedures. No other circumstances other than war or mass simultaneous explosive diarrhea can create such unilateral speaker delivered suspension of the certification.

♦ Q5: Why did the motions, once that the speaker RECONVENED congress, move forward back again to the floor for votes? Why were members disallowed to even consider putting forward ANY motions to the floor in when the chamber business was reopened?

A: The Speaker initiated the NEW sessions under special emergency rules. These rules abandon and make it clear that the ONLY purpose of the new session was to EXPEDITE the certification and dismiss all prior regular session procedural rules. This is why those two motions to table votes to consider a debate and pause to the certifications of state vote electors never happened later that evening when the house business was reconvened!

♦ Q6: Other than new rules, emergency rules, what other peculiar things occurred when the speaker reconvened?

A: Members were allowed to “vote” in proxy, remotely, not being present. You can use your imagination about what conditions were placed on ALL members during this time to prevent anyone from “getting out of line”.

Also clearly, it was at THIS NEW SESSION that VP Pence, President of Congress, would also have no ability to even consider pausing the electoral certification, because there were no motions of disagreements on the matter. So, in a technical legal claim, he is correct that he had no constitutional authority to address any issues of fraud or doubts about electoral irregularities. But this completely dismisses the FACT that congress created rules in this crisis/emergency that never allowed them to be floored!

Understand what happened in Jan 6, 2021. Don’t get hung up on Viking impostors, stolen Pelosi computers, podium heists, and complicit capitol police. Understand the process and what happened and what WAS NOT ALLOWED TO HAPPEN.

This was a coup….it was a very organized and carefully planned coup. VP Pence without a doubt as well as most members of the house were quite aware of how the certification was going to be MANAGED. It would require new rules to prevent the debate clause from occurring! New rules that ONLY AN EMERGENCY CRISIS COULD CREATE! So, they created an emergency.

•NOTED: I understand why many people have great interest in debunking the j6 event. I get that. I think it is important to dissect and examine the events of that day but please, step back and understand WHY these things happened. Examine the chain of events in congress. Why those two motions that would have at least paused the certification THAT WOULD GIVE VP PENCE THE CONSTITUTIONALLY RECOGNIZED POWER TO MOVE TO SUSPEND THE ELECTORAL CERTIFICATION AND THEN EXAMINE THE IRREGULARITIES AND CLAIMS OF FRAUD!

At the very center of this coup stands Mike Pence, the same individual who also spoiled President Trump’s first opportunities in the earliest hours of his Presidency just 4 years prior, when he created and facilitated the removal of Lt General Michael Flynn. I will not spend much time on this thread explaining why Lt Gen Flynn was so important to President Trump and why the IC was so afraid he would have advisory power to the President. That I will leave for another day, another time. But understand this clearly: MIKE PENCE WAS AND IS WORKING FOR THE MOST CORRUPT CRIMINAL TREASONOUS PEOPLE IN GOVERNMENT.

•PRO TIP: If you really want to get a true understanding of this matter videos of protesters walking in the capitol is not going to address them. Actual video and timeline records of events and the specific actions taken by the speaker just moments before TWO MAJOR ELECTORAL ALTERING MOTIONS WERE ABOUT TO BE FLOORED.

This crisis was developed just in time with a precise coordination to prevent those two motions to be entered into the chamber record. The two motions do not exist. The emergency powers established in the new session made sure they never could be entered. The emergency powers could never happen without a crisis.

God Bless America!”

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Note from Author: “I started this effort years ago. To date, no one and I mean no one has replied. It’s as if everyone that can expose it that has a larger platform is either disinterested, or suspiciously withdrawn from the issue. I made several comments about this over the years right here at CTH, on article threads that are relevant to the topic.

I was watching the certification live that day. I recorded it ALL on every channel. I was doing this because no matter what happened that day, I KNEW IT WOULD BE A PROFOUND AND SIGNIFICANT EVENT TO REMEMBER. I never in my wildest imagination (and I have a pretty vivid imagination, always have), expected to see the unmistakable perfectly timed “coincidences” that occurred.

One member raises a motion (with another in waiting for his turn) those two motions were well known and advertised. These were motions to vote for a pause in the certification to examine electoral vote fraud and irregularities. I can’t speak to the veracity and substance of those motions. They were never allowed to even be floored. it was at that exact moment that the house chambers were suspended and 4 of the key members, Pence, Pelosi, Schumer and McConnell were escorted OUT right after initiating the end of the session.

Effectively, this resulted in that motion never being floored at all. Then, when reconvened under special emergency rules, inexplicably those two motions (and perhaps more – we will never know – or will we?) were not even attempted to be motioned. That was not just peculiar to me.

It all started to make more sense when I did some study on constitutional law AND THE HISTORY of specific special authorities given to president of the congress, Pence in this case. Not only did he have the authority and power to suspend the certification, but the duty to address the motion in the same sense that it becomes vital to the debate clause.

There really is no higher significance of weight given to the debate clause than the certification of the votes. This was more than odd to me the way that the media and pence framed their narrative: Pence would not have the constitutional power to suspend certification. Then it hit me, like the obvious clue that was there all the time. He was right. But the reason he is right, is because there WAS NO MOTION ON THE FLOOR TO CAUSE HIM TO SUSPEND!

Understanding this, happened for me about 4 or 5 months after this Jan 6 day. I took me this long to examine the facts, look at the video again, compare it to the arguments made by several leading constitutional academics, and again, inexplicably even some that I respect seemed to dodge that central reality. The motions were never allowed to be floored in the re-convened house rules later that evening. Most would not even venture to address the exotically coincidence that the moment those two members would stand to place the motion before the house, that the House Speaker Pelosi AND Pence ended the session, effectively blocking the motions from being heard in normal house rules.

It’s been a journey for me. A journey that was initiated because I am just a simple but curious person. Perhaps even to a point where I get obsessive in those efforts. Many days and nights combing over the details. praying and trying to make sense of what makes little sense. With over 6 states having serious well known and obvious defects in the voting process, some more credible to believe – some less, but one would not expect the house would be so deliberate in marching past the motions that were definitely going to be present to slow this process down and take the time to get it right. Even IF the claims never reached an intersection that would change the outcome.

There are two possibilities: Millions of people, against all the odds, hitting all-time records even past Obama and Clinton, voted for a naval gazing ambulatory pathological racist moron. And chose Joe Malarkey as their leader. Or this was a coup, a conspiracy, and a treasonous manipulation regime change because President Trump could not be controlled by the deep state and globalists who OWN AND OPERATE WASHINGTON DC.

BOTH POSSIBILITIES ARE TERRIFYING.

The only way for THE PEOPLE to gain power in this country is to force the transfer of it. If truth isn’t the fuel and vehicle, we will just be replacing deck chairs and hitting the next series of expected ice bergs.

Knowing the truth is not enough; however, it is truth that makes it a righteous cause.

God Bless America!”

~ Regitiger



Sundance provides an addendum in support:

Julie Kelly – […] Just as the first wave of protesters breached the building shortly after 2 p.m., congressional Republicans were poised to present evidence of rampant voting fraud in the 2020 presidential election. Ten incumbent and four newly-elected Republican senators planned to work with their House colleagues to demand the formation of an audit commission to investigate election “irregularities” in the 2020 election. Absent an audit, the group of senators, including Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) pledged to reject the Electoral College results from the disputed states.

The Hail Mary effort was doomed to fail; yet the American people would have heard hours of debate related to provable election fraud over the course of the day.

And no one opposed the effort more than ex-Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.).

During a conference call on December 31, 2020, McConnell urged his Republican Senate colleagues to abandon plans to object to the certification, insisting his vote to certify the 2020 election results would be “the most consequential I have ever cast” in his 36-year Senate career.

From the Senate floor on the afternoon of January 6, McConnell gave a dramatic speech warning of the dire consequences to the country should Republicans succeed in delaying the vote. He downplayed examples of voting fraud and even mocked the fact that Trump-appointed judges rejected election lawsuits.

“The voters, the courts, and the States have all spoken,” McConnell insisted. “If we overrule them, it would damage our Republic forever. If this election were overturned by mere allegations from the losing side, our democracy would enter a death spiral.”

Roughly six hours later, McConnell got his way. Cowed by the crowd of largely peaceful Americans allowed into the building by Capitol police, most Republican senators backed off the audit proposal. McConnell, echoing hyperbolic talking points about an “insurrection” seeded earlier in the day by Democratic lawmakers and the news media, gloated. “They tried to disrupt our democracy,” he declared on the Senate floor after Congress reconvened around 8 p.m. “This failed attempt to obstruct Congress, this failed insurrection, only underscores how crucial the task before us is for our Republic.”

Congress officially certified the Electoral College results early the next day. (read more)

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The J6 pipe bombs were the insurance policy, in the event they couldn't get the crowd to comply with the FBI provocations. If no one stormed the Capitol, the finding of the pipe bombs would have been the emergency needed to stop the process.

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Trust me, you are going to want to read this. 👇 Most of it is not by me, but the ring of truth is resounding!!

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The Parliamentary Motive Behind the J6 Fedsurrection

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...fedsurrection/

4:21 PM · Mar 12, 2023 · 283.4K Views

[Salty Again]

... Two GREAT reads there, mates.

Thanks for posting them.

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[Why_Yes_I_Do]

They knew exactly what the story line was to be ahead of time and they played their roles well.

HUGE: “THEY LIED ABOUT EVERYTHING” – 96-Page DC Police Report UNCOVERED – Shows Govt Knew MAGA Was Coming on Jan 6 and Entrapped Them ALL

by Joe Hoft Mar. 15, 2023 12:30 pm 492 Comments


Pictured above: what appears to be Antifa breaking into the Capitol first before any Trump supporters arrive on Jan 6.

The Metropolitan Police released a report recently on the DC protests on January 6, 2021.
According to attorney Joe McBride who uncovered the report, the government knew MAGA was coming to DC and so they entrapped them.

It was all a setup...

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From the above released a report link. Appears the MPD knew exactly whom the protesters were, specifically TRUMP supporters, yet only managed a vague "counter-protestors " and "counter-demonstrators" to describe the other side. Though they did include that the various Pro-TRUMP groups, by name, did have a permit and for what time and acknowledged that they were 1st Amendment related. Hmmmm...

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EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
On Tuesday, November 3, 2020, the 2020 United States Presidential Election was held; however, the results of the election were contested, with many still arguing the election was fraught with fraud. This has caused both sides to become embroiled in protests and their respective supporters declaring their candidate to be the victor.

On the weekend of November 13, 2020, several demonstrations occurred supporting the President's bid for reelection. These demonstrations, led by "Women for America First," attracted counter-protestors resulting in several fights between the groups. Further, the Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) made a variety of arrests during the weekend.

On Saturday, December 12, 2020, there were several demonstrations in the District of Columbia, once again led by "Women for America First." Unfortunately, the weekend was also marred with fights and arrests between protestors and counter-protestors.

On Wednesday, January 6, 2021, Congress meets in joint session to count the electoral votes. Due to the significance of this date, a "wild" protest has been announced to occur in the District. Many organizations, including, "Women for America First," have filed permits to host demonstrations. There are demonstrations to occur on Freedom Plaza, the Ellipse, and at the United States Supreme Court. Further, due to internal politics between the organizing groups, there will be demonstrations on Tuesday, January 5, 2021.

On Tuesday, January 5, 2021, the March to Save America, Stop the Steal, and Eighty Percent Coalition will host a joint event on Freedom Plaza from 1300 hour to 2030 hours. On Wednesday, January 6, 2020, the March for Trump in association with Women for America First will host an event on the Ellipse from 0900 hours to 1700 hours.

Due to these well-advertised demonstrations, counter-demonstrators have announced their intentions to protest and confront the groups. Open source information has postings from groups to counter any pro-Trump effort in Washington, DC.

Leading up to this point, the political season has been controversial due to protests and riots related to George Floyd's death, the COVID pandemic, and other continuing First Amendment demonstrations. Due to the increased First Amendment activity and the potential for violence, MPD has developed the following plan for the time period from Monday, January 4, 2021 through Thursday, January 7, 2021.

On Monday, January 4, 2021, MPD will begin to activate CDU platoons with a full activation of 28 platoons to occur on Tuesday, January 5, 2021 and Wednesday, January 6, 2021. MPD will work closely with the United States Park Police (USPP) and other law enforcement agencies to ensure the safety off all involved with the weekend activity...

I believe they actually do mention Antifa(gs) much later in the report. Bias much?!?

[farmstud60]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

That’s the stupidest stuff I’ve read all year. It’s impressively dumb though. What’s more interesting is that a group of idiots take it seriously.

Well that means it is right on the money. I haven’t seen you post anything that is even remotely accurate

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

Heres the rest of the article....

Over achieving brown noser. But thanks.

[1blackman1]

Printing more of that garbage doesn’t make it any more correct or less stupid.

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by 1blackman1

Printing more of that garbage doesn’t make it any more correct or less stupid.

... It's CORRECT all by itself, mate.
Doesn't need to be any "more correct"....

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[the_real_Barleycorn]

Memory holes are pretty deep. Those that don't want to remember...don't.

[CravinRaven2]

What I can tell you. I was there J6. The timing of all that crap going down was shady as heck. Trump was about an hour late, did speech, 15-20min later the viking was airing on the my laptop in my hotel room, he was in the capital. (It is about a 45 minute walk from the elipse (where Trump's speech was) to the capital. Then 15-20min later DC alarms go off because a bomb was "suddenly" found!! Then all the cops locked the city down, blocked roads etc.
The timing was to boom boom boom.

Another thing, people were at 2 ends of the capital. It seems there was fighting with baracades on one side and on the other side people were being allowed in. Why did they create two different sides like that, two different narratives? Maybe we are all being played!!
Lastly, correct me if I'm wrong but the National Guard cannot go to DC. It is a District of Columbia and therefore a foreign soil. That is why Nancy Pelosi never accepted Trump's offer. (I'm sure Trump was trolling her) that's why the J6 people are still in jail. The are not in the USA.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by CravinRaven2

... Maybe we are all being played!!
Lastly, correct me if I'm wrong but the National Guard cannot go to DC. It is a District of Columbia and therefore a foreign soil. That is why Nancy Pelosi never accepted Trump's offer. (I'm sure Trump was trolling her) that's why the J6 people are still in jail. The are not in the USA.

The President can't really "send" them. Normally, Congress would request them and the President approves/denies them. Trump pre-approved them but Pelosi declined to request them.

Surely DC is a foreign land by most measures, but the Capital is Federal, not local. Think of it like a US Embassy in a foreign country. It is technically considered US soil, especially by the IRS in the case you think that wages earned there are exempt from US taxation because you are in a foreign country. So pardon my wonky Spanglishy, but you would be el wrongo and the IRS would be looking for their cut.