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Old 01-04-2021, 03:49 PM   #16
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Thank you for venting, DPST's
Remember - Impeachment is not a popular national vote - it is voted by 'teh' House, and a trial conviction depends on a 2/3 vote of 'teh' Senate.

please consult your leaders pelosi, nadler, schiff, and schumer - such diversity in the DPST leadership - No???




Oh, I forgot, the Constitution is not a document viewed , read, or understood by DPST's - it is about the rule of Law - and DPST's are all about their hatred.

Thank u - DPST's - and - wherever you get your numbers from - I would like to sell them a Bridge in Brooklyn. But - in DPST narrrative - math, science, civics, geography, and home economics are all relics of a "r...." education system./


And - BTW - topic is the death penalty and Lisa Montgomery.

But - DPST's do want the death penalty for those of different opinions - and the CCP and Omar and Tlaib can show you how to enact that.
Are DPST's capable of waiting 16 days to seize absolute power over America????How many will drop from the consequences of hatred in that 16 days. ????
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Old 01-04-2021, 04:44 PM   #17
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You are way tooo easy ob1. Maybe someday you will actually have a life without 15 thousand useless post. How can anyone have that much hate to spew.

I still crack myself up fuckn with the clueless lol
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Old 01-04-2021, 06:50 PM   #18
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All those comments about a murderer.
Geeze.
She butchered an 8 month pregnant woman.
Give me a break.
Let god judge her.

And by the way, all of the murderers state and condition of mind were all presented and considered back when she was sentenced a couple decades ago. There's nothing new here at all.
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Correct. She killed a pregnant woman and ripped the child out of the womb and ran off with the child.

All the "facts" that are mentioned in the OP may be true.

No matter. Execute her.
I'm torn between these two replies...though I'm actually not a fan of the death penalty.
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Old 01-04-2021, 08:59 PM   #19
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you and that other poster keep claiming that. got any proof?


so it's your contention that corruption accounts for Trump winning Texas and Florida butt no such thing could happen in Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona or Pennsylvania?



BAHHAHHAAAAAAHHAAAAA
TS needs to honk some more: "augh! augh! augh! augh!"
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Old 01-04-2021, 09:06 PM   #20
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what was her state of mind when she killed the pregnant woman and ripped the baby out of her?
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Old 01-04-2021, 10:32 PM   #21
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First off, trump could take care of this himself. That is if he stayed off the phone. The Georgia secretary of state dodged 18 other calls from trump before he finally accepted trump's call.
If you want to hear something funny, listen to the call. trump is begging. He isn't doing ground breaking work to stop violence against women. He has made his views, on the record, on the hollywood access tape.

Now as for you, since you claim stating facts about are attacks, here we go.
Your attempts at limiting discourse to you definition, is pure trumpy.

Unlike you, I'm not going to lie. Your word, as is any debate you pretend to have, is worth nothing.
Your opinion is worth nothing.
Too bad you can't respect other people's 1st amendment rights.

The piece of shit trump, who you worship, could deal with this.
He won't so you come crying to us.
We have no say in trumpland.
You're the resident, do something.
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Why Trump should commute Lisa Montgomery's death sentence

I have spent my career battling violence against women. As a prosecutor, I bore witness to the devastating effects of sexual abuse, rape and child trafficking on girls. I have also seen how our society has failed to protect child victims of sexual violence.
The Trump administration has worked to step up prosecutions of traffickers and protections for victims, particularly women and children. The government has expressed a willingness to leverage its considerable resources to eradicate human trafficking, and it has followed up this promise by committing increased funding and law enforcement personnel to the problem. This is vitally important work that must continue.

But I was disheartened to learn that the federal government planned to execute Lisa Montgomery on Jan. 12, 2021. A judge ordered a stay on the case, but the ruling allowed that a new execution date could be set after Dec. 31. Executing Montgomery would be a grave injustice, because she is herself a victim of child sex trafficking.
According to court documents, in Montgomery's early teens, her mother began selling her to adult men for sex. Instead of protecting her daughter's innocence, this woman - whose heavy drinking during pregnancy left Montgomery brain-damaged - allowed her daughter to be raped over and over. This, she insisted, was her child's duty to "earn her keep."
As happens to many victims of trafficking, the very systems that were supposed to protect Lisa Montgomery did nothing. Though school and child welfare authorities suspected abuse, they did not intervene. Montgomery has said she tried to tell authorities what was happening to her, but help did not arrive. Social services removed her older sister from the home because she, too, reportedly had been raped repeatedly, but they left the younger girl behind.
Eventually, Montgomery developed a dissociative disorder, which can be the brain's response to extreme trauma, particularly childhood sexual violence. Mental health experts have explained that there is a direct line from the relentless abuses Montgomery suffered to the tragic crime she later committed. After being coerced into getting sterilized and, according to court documents, in the grip of mental illness, Montgomery strangled a pregnant woman and took the baby from her womb.
Her lifetime of sexual torture is not, as the federal prosecutors insisted at her trial, an "abuse excuse." It is an important and, indeed, unsurprising explanation for her actions that should mitigate in favor of a sentence of life imprisonment without possibility of release.
More than a decade ago, when Montgomery was prosecuted, we did not know as much as we now do about the long-term effects of commercial sexual exploitation of a child. And since Montgomery was sentenced to death, our legal system has evolved to reflect this understanding through the development of laws designed to protect the victims of child sex trafficking. The government must continue to uphold and expand upon these protections.
Tragically, we cannot go back in time to protect Lisa Montgomery, nor can we undo the pain and loss her crime has caused. Even so, President Trump can take a simple but powerful action that would continue his groundbreaking work on behalf of the victims of human trafficking. He can commute Montgomery's death sentence to one of life imprisonment with no possibility of release. This would be an appropriate and just extension of mercy.


the convicted woman is clearly mentally ill - which is different from a legal definition of insanity. I agree with the author - her death sentence should be commuted to life without parole. She is too mentally ill, and committed too grievous a crime - ever be free.



In addition, we should take a serious discussion of banning 'teh' death Penalty in America. It is not a deterrent, and the finality of execution permits no redress of miscarriage of justice. And to be sure - there have been - and may again be, innocent individuals executed in America.

Some criminals should never be free to commit heinous crimes again, and life without parole allows for correction of miscarriages of justice. IMHO - it may well be a worse punishment to be locked in a cell for life - with no chance of parole, than to get an 'easy way' - a painless execution, out of 'teh' prison penal system.

Biden is reported as an opponent of the death penalty - and on this matter I agree with him.

Senile or Not!


DPST's - do you have anything cogent and constructive ?

yr, 1b1, mm's . python, 'a' etc - or just the usual name-calling, insults, and scatology???
Are you capable of elevating discourse above your hatred of Conservatism, and of me. ?
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Old 01-05-2021, 07:09 AM   #22
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Trump and his attitude have nothing to do with this thread.

The bitch belongs in hell.
Preplanned
Premeditated
At least a few weeks in advance.

All of her state of mind and her prior life issues were presented in court back when convicted and sentenced. Again, there's absolutely nothing new at all about anything related to the case. All there are, are intentional delay tactics by lawyers funded by anti-termination groups.

She's lucky she's gonna get a humane death injection for butchering that mom to be.

Frankly, a death sentence is a deterrent. In the thousands of years humans have been on the planet, it's only the last half century that a death sentence has become an vocal situation. But, the laws are still on the books.
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