Republicunt party scamming money from old people

[southtown4488]

Originally Posted by Rey Lengua

Way to keep WKing for the thieving ,lying LIBERAL bitch, Shrillary ! How'd that work out for YOU when YOU were all enthralled with Wendy Davis and Leticia " Miz Piggy " Van De Putte here in Texas ?

Learn to put together a coherent adult sentence and ill be glad to respond in kind.

[southtown4488]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

I don't support Trump, but when Hillary starts joking about "CP Time", her racist roots start showing. She's not racist the same way LBJ wasn't racist.


But look at the two parties. They agree on much more than on which they disagree. Spend more money? Yes. Patriot Act? Yes. NDAA? Yes. Wars for profit? Yes. On virtually all issues limiting freedom and increasing government control, they agree. They put on petty arguments for show, but that's all it is. BCD, they're laughing at us.

"CP time" really? that's ur equivalency for Trumps blatant racist words and policies?
sorry man, but its not even close. My argument again, is not that dems are perfect angels, theyre not. But Clinton did not paint Mexican immigrants as rapists, drug dealers and begrudgingly say - I suppose some are good people. . . Clinton didn't mock a reporter with physical disability like a junior high bully, Clinton didn't say she wants to ban ALL Muslims from entering the country, Clinton didn't pretend to not know who the white supremist was that was publically supporting the campaign.

I agree with much of what u say, both parties are bought by wall street and the super rich. But which party for the most part supports campaign finance reform? which party wants SCOTUS Citizens United overturned? which party wants to put tougher restrictions to fight offshore tax evasion? I'll say it again because it bears repeating. . . my argument is not that Dems are perfect, its that theyre clearly better than Republicunts.

[southtown4488]

Originally Posted by DSK

No, you are wrong. The City of Detroit only gave Flint one years worth of water when they found out that Flint was building it's own line from a different source. They could have let them have the water, but they were petty little assholes about it, forcing Flint to drink the poison. If Democrats cared more about people like you say, and they were actual humans, they would have sold them the water.

Detroit didn't force Flint to seek another water source, ,, the Republican installed city council did that to save a small amount of money. and when evidence started coming out of the lead poison the Republican installed govnt and the Republican Governor denied and told people "keep drinking the water, its safe". Kids, mostly poor kids. . got sick and will probly never fully recover, and that's on the Republican party of Michigan. God bless you for excusing it, god bless you for making excuses for the poisoning of kids because you love ur Republican party more that kids. . . well at least more than poor kids.

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by southtown4488

"CP time" really? that's ur equivalency for Trumps blatant racist words and policies?
sorry man, but its not even close. My argument again, is not that dems are perfect angels, theyre not. But Clinton did not paint Mexican immigrants as rapists, drug dealers and begrudgingly say - I suppose some are good people. . . Clinton didn't mock a reporter with physical disability like a junior high bully, Clinton didn't say she wants to ban ALL Muslims from entering the country, Clinton didn't pretend to not know who the white supremist was that was publically supporting the campaign.

I agree with much of what u say, both parties are bought by wall street and the super rich. But which party for the most part supports campaign finance reform? which party wants SCOTUS Citizens United overturned? which party wants to put tougher restrictions to fight offshore tax evasion? I'll say it again because it bears repeating. . . my argument is not that Dems are perfect, its that theyre clearly better than Republicunts.

You're not going to get me to defend Trump, but to deny that Hillary is the most corrupt, dishonest, and completely sold out to Wall Street shows an intentional denial of the facts. I'm not voting for either. Choosing between Hillary or Trump is like choosing a firing squad over hanging. Although I'd like to be hung, but that's a different subject. Trump - Clinton is a lose - lose proposition. And remember, it was Hillary who started the birther rumors about Obama. Quite a dirty trick there, don't you think?

[DSK]

Originally Posted by southtown4488

Detroit didn't force Flint to seek another water source, ,, the Republican installed city council did that to save a small amount of money. and when evidence started coming out of the lead poison the Republican installed govnt and the Republican Governor denied and told people "keep drinking the water, its safe". Kids, mostly poor kids. . got sick and will probly never fully recover, and that's on the Republican party of Michigan. God bless you for excusing it, god bless you for making excuses for the poisoning of kids because you love ur Republican party more that kids. . . well at least more than poor kids.

You are a completely partisan willfully blind hack, turning the complete liberal failure of Detroit into a Republican problem just because they were trying to help cleanup the mess created in Flint by Democrats.

Don't you think the various EPA and other health department officials are usually Democrats in Michigan?

BTW, they have changed the water back to the Detroit Water and Sewerage Department, which is apparently well run in a sea of problematic city management.

[southtown4488]

Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy

You're not going to get me to defend Trump, but to deny that Hillary is the most corrupt, dishonest, and completely sold out to Wall Street shows an intentional denial of the facts. I'm not voting for either. Choosing between Hillary or Trump is like choosing a firing squad over hanging. Although I'd like to be hung, but that's a different subject. Trump - Clinton is a lose - lose proposition. And remember, it was Hillary who started the birther rumors about Obama. Quite a dirty trick there, don't you think?

Again, im not arguing that Dems or Hillary is perfect. . . im arguing that they and she is the much lesser of the two evils that are the choices. Its like the Patriots are playing the Seahawks and you had to bet on one NFL team to win. . . neither team is perfect, so youre gonna bet on the Chiefs?? they cant win. Youre two choices at a certain point is likely gonna be Clinton and Trump and voting for Ralph Nader or whatever third party is like voting for the Chiefs.

at the end of the day I hear ur point and im not here to say "youre completely wrong" . . I find myself agreeing with much of what you say. Im just saying that politics is most often the choice of the lesser of two evils, and Trumps rhetoric and proposed policies are pure evil.

[southtown4488]

Originally Posted by DSK

You are a completely partisan willfully blind hack, turning the complete liberal failure of Detroit into a Republican problem just because they were trying to help cleanup the mess created in Flint by Democrats.

Don't you think the various EPA and other health department officials are usually Democrats in Michigan?

BTW, they have changed the water back to the Detroit Water and Sewerage Department, which is apparently well run in a sea of problematic city management.

Republicans tried to help clean up the problem in Flint by poisoning the citizens with lead. . . . great fuckin job republicans!!! way to go, poisoning poor minorities. . . not a surprise, given the contempt many republicans have for poor and minorities.

I will say, it wasn't only republicans. . . although they deserve the lions share of blame. . . the EPA etc deserves blame too. But who tries at every turn to weaken Govt oversight??? Its republicans of course.

[lustylad]

WHY DO DEMOCRATS WANT TO POISON POOR LITTLE BLACK KIDS IN FLINT, MICHIGAN? WHY ARE THEY SUCH RACIST, UNCARING BASTARDS?




The Democrats’ Filthy Flint Water

Dirty politics lead to dirty water.

January 21, 2016
Daniel Greenfield


Mayor Dayne Walling, a Democrat, led a cheerful countdown at the Flint water treatment plant to press the button moving the city over to river water. Walling and Darnell Earley, the Democratic emergency manager, even raised glasses in a toast and drank the water to show that it was safe.

“It’s a historic moment for the city of Flint to return to its roots and use our own river as our drinking water supply,” Walling said. “The water quality speaks for itself.”

Flint’s city council had voted in favor of the move 7-1. Despite claims about the power of the emergency manager, the switch could not have gone forward without that vote.

Even once the problem had surfaced, the EPA knew and kept quiet. It was only once the crisis broke, that the Democratic establishment attempted to redirect the blame at Michigan’s efforts to fix broken Democratic cities like Flint using emergency managers. The war against the emergency managers is not about clean water; it’s about protecting the dirty Democratic politics that destroyed these cities.

Flint’s dirty water had its origins in dirty politics. The Democratic Party had badly mismanaged the city.

Flint was trying to cut costs, but not in the right place. Water rates were already murderously high, because around 40 percent of the city’s water was leaking out or being stolen. Water theft is routine in failed Democratic cities like Flint. And the thefts often come from the inside.

Warren Southall II, a Flint city employee, illegally turned on water in exchange for bribes. Last year he was fined, but would not serve any jail time. Illegal water hookups are everywhere. Residents who have their water turned off can always find ways to get it turned back on again. The cost gets passed on to those who pay their bills. And the rates go up and more residents run away.

From 2002 to 2010, Flint’s population declined by 18%. The poverty rate encompasses over a third of the population. Barely half the city works. The second largest employer in Flint is government.* The third and fourth largest employers, healthcare and education, are heavily government subsidized.

Flint is a failed city. It’s what happens when Democrats run a city into the ground by driving away jobs and pandering to unions. Eventually the union contracts make a city’s finances unfeasible and the cycle of tax hikes, union contracts, unfunded pensions, welfare protests, junk bond sales and then crisis management and privatization takes its toll. That is exactly what happened in Flint.

Flint got deep into trouble because of its unions. The city has been desperately struggling to privatize as much of its services as it can, wiping out union jobs to protect union retirement benefits, and then cutting services to cover for a growing deadbeat population that wants services, but doesn’t want to pay for them. And the simple fact of life is that somebody has to pay for clean water. Or it won’t be clean.

It wasn’t corporations or big business that made it impossible for Flint to pay its bills. It wasn’t Rick Snyder. *It was Flint residents who kept voting for ridiculously incompetent Democrats.

Flint, like Detroit, needed emergency managers because the Democratic Party had destroyed entire cities. And it is those emergency managers, who are often African-American Democrats even when appointed by Republicans, who are being used to pass all the blame on to Governor Rick Snyder.
But they are leaving out a whole lot of history along the way.

In 2002, Woodrow Stanley, the three-term Democratic Party mayor, was removed from office by angry voters due to a $30 million deficit. He didn’t accept the blame for the disaster. Instead he blamed racism.

“The stench of racism that reeks [from] this election will linger in the nostrils of this community for decades," Stanley said. In reality, plenty of black voters had turned out to drive him out of office.

After a state takeover put Flint back in the black, Woodrow “I Blame Racism” Stanley faced off against Don “The Don” Williamson, a convicted criminal and car dealer. The Don won and running for reelection, he told residents that, "I don't lie to nobody! The city is the most solvent in the state of Michigan."

Flint was as solvent as Detroit. In reality there was a $4 million deficit. Williamson was accused of lying about the deficit to get reelected. Around that same time, Time named Flint the “most dangerous city in America”. After a threatened recall election, Williamson resigned and decided to run for governor as a Democrat while claiming, "I'm going to go down as the greatest mayor this city has ever had."

Governor Jennifer Granholm had unleashed the disaster by signing an executive order ending the state of emergency in Flint and claiming that, “The citizens of Flint can take great satisfaction in that the financial cloud that has lingered over the city has been lifted.”

“I expect the city to remain on sound financial footing into the future,” the failed Michigan politician, who would enjoy a brief career working for Al Gore’s ultra-leftist Current TV before losing her job due to the Al Jazeera sale, claimed.

Flint’s real problem is that it had far too many expenses, far too many employees and no money. Like Detroit, it was another failed Democratic city that residents were fleeing as fast as they could. The only people left behind had no option to move anywhere else. They wanted services, but they weren’t paying taxes. Income tax revenue in Flint fell by almost a third in four years.

Flint needed its emergency managers; it had to drastically cut costs, because it couldn’t pay its bills. It wasn’t the Republican governor who made Flint into a financially unviable proposition.

The attempts to blame Rick Snyder for putting an emergency manager in charge are cynical Democratic politics. And the emergency manager in charge, Darnell Earley, was a Woodrow Stanley loyalist and a Democrat. He had at one point even been a Granholm appointee.

Flint’s last emergency manager, Jerry Ambrose correctly pointed out, “There’s just a point in time there’s just not enough gas in the tank. There’s just not enough revenue from the local taxpayers to solve the problems that are here.” The question is who is going to be on the hook to pay the bills?

Democrats want to annex suburbs and drag them into paying the bills for failed cities. These ideas find favor within the White House. But that just widens the sphere of economic destruction. It encourages people to flee even further to escape the economic event horizon of disasters like Flint and Detroit.

And it avoids the moral question of whether the innocent should be forced to bail out the guilty.

The left reduces such questions to matters of pure entitlement. Everything is a right. But the Flint disaster shows the practical cost of entitlement. In the end there is still a bill. And when the bills aren’t being paid, then cities will find ways to cut costs that carry with them their own price.

How many of the Flint protesters waving yellow water bottles were paying their water bills? How many had subsidized water? How many had illegal water hookups? How many had voted for Democrats?

Socialism works until you run out of other people’s money. And that’s when the death panels kick in. It’s when your electricity stops being reliable, the cops don’t show up when called and your water stops being clean. There’s no way to escape these simple economic facts of life.

Democrats turned Flint into a deadbeat city. A deadbeat city with high crime, high rates of structure fires, lots of potholes and failing services. Flint, Detroit, Newark, Oakland, Chicago and a hundred other failed and failing cities are their handiwork. And as long as their residents continue voting for the same party that made this mess, their lives and their services will only get worse.

Flint’s dirty water originated with its dirty Democratic Party overlords. Blaming Republicans won’t clean it up.

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by southtown4488

Again, im not arguing that Dems or Hillary is perfect. . . im arguing that they and she is the much lesser of the two evils that are the choices. Its like the Patriots are playing the Seahawks and you had to bet on one NFL team to win. . . neither team is perfect, so youre gonna bet on the Chiefs?? they cant win. Youre two choices at a certain point is likely gonna be Clinton and Trump and voting for Ralph Nader or whatever third party is like voting for the Chiefs.

at the end of the day I hear ur point and im not here to say "youre completely wrong" . . I find myself agreeing with much of what you say. Im just saying that politics is most often the choice of the lesser of two evils, and Trumps rhetoric and proposed policies are pure evil.

Don't use the Chiefs. They are the good guys. The best sports analogy comes from the ECHL hockey league. The Wichita Thunder and Allen Americans are both owned by the same guy. In a very far fetched universe, let's say they are playing for the championship. It will never happen for either team. But this is pretend. At the end of the game, who wins? The owner! He wins no matter which team comes out on top. To the owner, the outcome doesn't matter. That's the way it is for the Democrats and Republicans. They are owned by the same people. Now they go after each other tooth and nail, but no matter who wins, their owners make out like bandits. The Establishment doesn't care who wins, because their interests are protected, and promoted either way.

That's why I encourage people to vote, but to vote against the establishment. I prefer
Libertarian, but vote Green, or Reform, or any third party. Third party votes ARE NOT WASTED! They tell the Establishment that we are on to them. That we are on to their game. This election is turning out great. The Establishment is being exposed. Third parties have an unprecedented opportunity to garner enough of the vote to put some fear into the Establishment. I hope we take advantage of it. But an election between Cruz and Clinton will be Wall Street v Wall Street. Guess what, Wall Street wins. If it's Trump against Hillary, the winner will be Hillary. Wall Street wins.

We need a movement, a massive movement. We can oust the Establishment. It's now or never. Unless we can cause the Establishment some serious damage, it will be over. The crackdown will be swift and complete. It's now or never.

[DSK]

Originally Posted by southtown4488

Republicans tried to help clean up the problem in Flint by poisoning the citizens with lead. . . . great fuckin job republicans!!! way to go, poisoning poor minorities. . . not a surprise, given the contempt many republicans have for poor and minorities.

I will say, it wasn't only republicans. . . although they deserve the lions share of blame. . . the EPA etc deserves blame too. But who tries at every turn to weaken Govt oversight??? Its republicans of course.

You are hopeless. Did you read the article LustyLad posted?